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<category name="">Esther was forced
 
<category name="">Esther was forced
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SederOlamRabbah29" data-aht="source">Seder Olam Rabbah</a><a href="SederOlamRabbah29" data-aht="source">29</a><a href="Seder Olam Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Seder Olam Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliMegillah15a" data-aht="source">Bavli Megillah</a><a href="BavliMegillah15a" data-aht="source">15a</a><a href="BavliMegillah15b" data-aht="source">15b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin74a-b" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin74a-b" data-aht="source">74a-b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TargumSheniEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Second Targum of Megillat Esther</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther2-8" data-aht="source">2:8</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther4-11" data-aht="source">4:11</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther4-16" data-aht="source">4:16</a><a href="Second Targum of Megillat Esther" data-aht="parshan">About Second Targum of Megillat Esther</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-8" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-16" data-aht="source">Esther 2:16</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-8" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-8" data-aht="source">Esther Second Version 2:8</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambamEsther5-1" data-aht="source">Commentary attributed to Rambam</a><a href="RambamEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RambamEsther5-1" data-aht="source">Esther 5:1</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RAvrahamSabaEshkolHaKopher2-8" data-aht="source">R. Avraham Saba</a><a href="RAvrahamSabaEshkolHaKopher2-8" data-aht="source">Eshkol HaKopher 2:8</a><a href="R. Avraham Saba" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham Saba</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Akeidat Yitzchak</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-15" data-aht="source">Esther 2:15</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Arama (Akeidat Yitzchak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Arama</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RMeirAramaEstherPart1" data-aht="source">R. Meir Arama</a><a href="RMeirAramaEstherPart1" data-aht="source">Esther Part 1</a><a href="R. Meir Arama" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Arama</a></multilink>, Yosef Lekach</mekorot>
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="SederOlamRabbah29" data-aht="source">Seder Olam Rabbah</a><a href="SederOlamRabbah29" data-aht="source">29</a><a href="Seder Olam Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Seder Olam Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliMegillah15a" data-aht="source">Bavli Megillah</a><a href="BavliMegillah15a" data-aht="source">15a</a><a href="BavliMegillah15b" data-aht="source">15b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin74a-b" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin74a-b" data-aht="source">74a-b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TargumSheniEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Second Targum of Megillat Esther</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther2-8" data-aht="source">2:8</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther4-11" data-aht="source">4:11</a><a href="TargumSheniEsther4-16" data-aht="source">4:16</a><a href="Second Targum of Megillat Esther" data-aht="parshan">About Second Targum of Megillat Esther</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="RashiEsther2-11" data-aht="source">Esther 2:11</a><a href="RashiEsther4-16" data-aht="source">Esther 4:16</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-8" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonEsther2-16" data-aht="source">Esther 2:16</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-8" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther Version A 2:10</a><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-8" data-aht="source">Esther Second Version 2:8</a><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-10" data-aht="source">Esther Version B 2:10</a><a href="IbnEzraEstherSecondVersion2-16" data-aht="source">Esther Version B 2:16</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambamEsther5-1" data-aht="source">Commentary attributed to Rambam</a><a href="RambamEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RambamEsther5-1" data-aht="source">Esther 5:1</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RAvrahamSabaEshkolHaKopher2-8" data-aht="source">R. Avraham Saba</a><a href="RAvrahamSabaEshkolHaKopher2-8" data-aht="source">Eshkol HaKopher 2:8</a><a href="R. Avraham Saba" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham Saba</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Akeidat Yitzchak</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchakEsther2-15" data-aht="source">Esther 2:15</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Arama (Akeidat Yitzchak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Arama</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RMeirAramaEstherPart1" data-aht="source">R. Meir Arama</a><a href="RMeirAramaEstherPart1" data-aht="source">Esther Part 1</a><a href="R. Meir Arama" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Arama</a></multilink>, Yosef Lekach</mekorot>
<point><b>Esther's Religious Identity</b></point>
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<point><b>Did Esther Hide?</b> According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Esther was hidden for four years. Similarly, the Second Targum of Megillat Esther also says she was hidden, but that eventually it became life-threatening to keep hiding Esther, so Mordechai took her out of hiding. In contrast, according to Ibn Ezra and R. Avraham Saba, since Esther and Mordechai lived in or near the palace, they did not have a chance to hide Esther, and she was immediately seized.</point>
<point><b>"וַתִּלָּקַח"</b> – Ibn Ezra claims that the word "וַתִּלָּקַח" implies being taken by force.<fn>Cf.&#160;<multilink><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Bereshit 12:15</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>.</fn></point>
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<point><b>How Was Esther Taken?</b></point>
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<point><b>"וַתִּלָּקַח"</b> – Ibn Ezra and R. Meir Arama claim that the word "וַתִּלָּקַח", in both verse 2:8 and 2:16, implies being taken by force and unwillingly.<fn>Cf.&#160;<multilink><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Bereshit 12:15</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>.</fn></point>
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<point><b>"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ"</b> – According to this opinion, Esther concealed her nationality to either avoid becoming queen (Rashi) or to enable Torah observance (Ibn Ezra, Akeidat Yitzchak). For further details, see <a href="Why Conceal Esther's Nationality/2#ReligiousObservance" data-aht="page">Why Conceal Esther's Nationality</a>.</point>
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<point><b>"לֹא בִקְשָׁה דָּבָר"</b> – A commentary found in&#160;<multilink><a href="MSMunich5Esther2-15" data-aht="source">MS Munich 5</a><a href="MSMunich5Esther2-15" data-aht="source">MS Munich 5 Esther 2:15</a><a href="Ba'alei HaTosafot" data-aht="parshan">About Ba'alei HaTosafot</a></multilink>, the Akeidat Yitzchak, and R. Meir Arama see the contrast between Esther who took nothing with her and the other women who would request music or jewelry, as proof that she was forced to go before Achashverosh.</point>
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<point><b>Halakhic Considerations</b></point>
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<point><b>"וּבְכֵן אָבוֹא אֶל הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲשֶׁר לֹא כַדָּת וְכַאֲשֶׁר אָבַדְתִּי אָבָדְתִּי"</b></point>
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<point><b>Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity</b> – According to this approach, Esther and Mordechai were fully observant Jews.</point>
 
<point><b>אשת איש</b><ul>
 
<point><b>אשת איש</b><ul>
 
<li>Most of these commentators understand Esther to have been an unmarried woman.</li>
 
<li>Most of these commentators understand Esther to have been an unmarried woman.</li>
 
<li>However,</li>
 
<li>However,</li>
 
</ul></point>
 
</ul></point>
<point><b>לא בקשה דבר</b> – R. Meir Arama says this is proof that she was forced, because everyone else would pretty up voluntarily to be more appealing, but Esther did not.</point>
 
<point><b>"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ"</b> – According to this opinion, Esther did not say who she was for one of two reasons:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<li>So that she will not be chosen as queen.</li>
 
<li>So it will be easier for her to keep mitzvot.</li>
 
</ul></point>
 
<point><b>Halakhic Considerations</b></point>
 
 
<point><b>Definition of אונס</b></point>
 
<point><b>Definition of אונס</b></point>
 
<point><b>One time / Multiple Times</b></point>
 
<point><b>One time / Multiple Times</b></point>
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<category name="">The Ends Justify the Means
 
<category name="">The Ends Justify the Means
 
<p>Esther wanted to become queen, in order to protect the Jews.</p>
 
<p>Esther wanted to become queen, in order to protect the Jews.</p>
<mekorot><multilink><a href="YefetEsther2" data-aht="source">Yefet</a><a href="YefetEsther2" data-aht="source">Yefet Esther 2</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="RalbagEstherToelet15" data-aht="source">Esther Toelet 15</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-8" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Chayyun</a><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="R. Yosef Chayyun" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Chayyun</a></multilink></mekorot>
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="YefetEsther2" data-aht="source">Yefet</a><a href="YefetEsther2" data-aht="source">Yefet Esther 2</a></multilink>, Others Say in <multilink><a href="IbnEzraEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther Version A 2:10</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="RalbagEstherToelet15" data-aht="source">Esther Toelet 15</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-8" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Chayyun</a><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-8" data-aht="source">Esther 2:8</a><a href="RYosefChayyunEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther 2:10</a><a href="R. Yosef Chayyun" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Chayyun</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Hide?</b> According to Yefet, Esther originally hid, but then left her hiding place so she will be chosen as queen. However, according to R. Yosef Chayyun, Esther never hid, but rather sat in public so that she will be found easily.</point>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Hide?</b> According to Yefet, Esther originally hid, but then left her hiding place so she will be chosen as queen. However, according to R. Yosef Chayyun, Esther never hid, but rather sat in public so that she will be found easily.</point>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Go Willingly?</b> According to this approach, Esther went willingly.<fn>Cf. Radak, who claims that the word&#160;"וַתִּלָּקַח" implies going willingly and not be force.</fn></point>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Go Willingly?</b> According to this approach, Esther went willingly.<fn>Cf. Radak, who claims that the word&#160;"וַתִּלָּקַח" implies going willingly and not be force.</fn></point>
<point><b>Mordechai's Precognition</b> – According to Ralbag, Mordechai knew (in some sort of prophecy) that Esther will be chosen. Contrarily, R. Yosef Chayyun understands that Mordechai did not know anything definite, but was only hoping that Esther will be chosen. However, both of them agree that Mordechai was not aware of any specific threat, but was just maneuvering Esther into a useful position in case something happens.</point>
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<point><b>Mordechai's Precognition</b> – According to Ralbag, Mordechai knew (in some sort of prophecy) that Esther will be chosen. Contrarily, R. Yosef Chayyun understands that Mordechai did not know anything definite, but was only hoping that Esther will be chosen. However, both of them agree that Mordechai was not aware of any specific threat, but was just maneuvering Esther into a useful position in case something happens. In contrast, the opinion cited in Ibn Ezra claims that Mordechai received a prophecy or a dream that explicitly said that Esther will save the Jews.</point>
 
<point><b>Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity</b> – These commentators understand that Esther and Mordechai were observant Jews, who decided on this course of action within the framework of Halakha.</point>
 
<point><b>Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity</b> – These commentators understand that Esther and Mordechai were observant Jews, who decided on this course of action within the framework of Halakha.</point>
 
<point><b>"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ"</b> – According to these commentators, Esther concealed her nationality in order that she will be chosen as queen, and would not be rejected as from a lowly nation. See <a href="Why Conceal Esther's Nationality/2#AgentofSalvation" data-aht="page">Why Conceal Esther's Nationality</a> for more details.</point>
 
<point><b>"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ"</b> – According to these commentators, Esther concealed her nationality in order that she will be chosen as queen, and would not be rejected as from a lowly nation. See <a href="Why Conceal Esther's Nationality/2#AgentofSalvation" data-aht="page">Why Conceal Esther's Nationality</a> for more details.</point>
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<category name="">Esther didn't care
 
<category name="">Esther didn't care
 
<p>Esther wanted to become queen for the honor and power involved.</p>
 
<p>Esther wanted to become queen for the honor and power involved.</p>
<mekorot>Perhaps <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Bereshit 12:15</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioIntroductiontoEsther" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioIntroductiontoEsther" data-aht="source">Introduction to Esther</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot>
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<mekorot>Some Say in <multilink><a href="IbnEzraEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraEsther2-10" data-aht="source">Esther Version A 2:10</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, perhaps <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit12-15" data-aht="source">Bereshit 12:15</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioIntroductiontoEsther" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioIntroductiontoEsther" data-aht="source">Introduction to Esther</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Go Willingly?</b> Radak claims that "וַתִּלָּקַח" implies going willingly, and not being taken by force.</point>
 
<point><b>Did Esther Go Willingly?</b> Radak claims that "וַתִּלָּקַח" implies going willingly, and not being taken by force.</point>
 
<point><b>Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity</b> – According to R. Y"S Reggio, Esther and Mordechai were certainly not knowledgeable in Halakhah, and may even have been non-observant. Therefore, they did not see any issue with Esther becoming queen.</point>
 
<point><b>Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity</b> – According to R. Y"S Reggio, Esther and Mordechai were certainly not knowledgeable in Halakhah, and may even have been non-observant. Therefore, they did not see any issue with Esther becoming queen.</point>

Version as of 03:30, 27 February 2015

Esther's Relations with Achashverosh

Exegetical Approaches

This topic is still being developed and updated

Esther was forced

Did Esther Hide? According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Esther was hidden for four years. Similarly, the Second Targum of Megillat Esther also says she was hidden, but that eventually it became life-threatening to keep hiding Esther, so Mordechai took her out of hiding. In contrast, according to Ibn Ezra and R. Avraham Saba, since Esther and Mordechai lived in or near the palace, they did not have a chance to hide Esther, and she was immediately seized.
How Was Esther Taken?
"וַתִּלָּקַח" – Ibn Ezra and R. Meir Arama claim that the word "וַתִּלָּקַח", in both verse 2:8 and 2:16, implies being taken by force and unwillingly.1
"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ" – According to this opinion, Esther concealed her nationality to either avoid becoming queen (Rashi) or to enable Torah observance (Ibn Ezra, Akeidat Yitzchak). For further details, see Why Conceal Esther's Nationality.
"לֹא בִקְשָׁה דָּבָר" – A commentary found in MS Munich 5MS Munich 5 Esther 2:15About Ba'alei HaTosafot, the Akeidat Yitzchak, and R. Meir Arama see the contrast between Esther who took nothing with her and the other women who would request music or jewelry, as proof that she was forced to go before Achashverosh.
Halakhic Considerations
"וּבְכֵן אָבוֹא אֶל הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲשֶׁר לֹא כַדָּת וְכַאֲשֶׁר אָבַדְתִּי אָבָדְתִּי"
Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity – According to this approach, Esther and Mordechai were fully observant Jews.
אשת איש
  • Most of these commentators understand Esther to have been an unmarried woman.
  • However,
Definition of אונס
One time / Multiple Times
Historical Background

The Ends Justify the Means

Esther wanted to become queen, in order to protect the Jews.

Did Esther Hide? According to Yefet, Esther originally hid, but then left her hiding place so she will be chosen as queen. However, according to R. Yosef Chayyun, Esther never hid, but rather sat in public so that she will be found easily.
Did Esther Go Willingly? According to this approach, Esther went willingly.2
Mordechai's Precognition – According to Ralbag, Mordechai knew (in some sort of prophecy) that Esther will be chosen. Contrarily, R. Yosef Chayyun understands that Mordechai did not know anything definite, but was only hoping that Esther will be chosen. However, both of them agree that Mordechai was not aware of any specific threat, but was just maneuvering Esther into a useful position in case something happens. In contrast, the opinion cited in Ibn Ezra claims that Mordechai received a prophecy or a dream that explicitly said that Esther will save the Jews.
Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity – These commentators understand that Esther and Mordechai were observant Jews, who decided on this course of action within the framework of Halakha.
"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ" – According to these commentators, Esther concealed her nationality in order that she will be chosen as queen, and would not be rejected as from a lowly nation. See Why Conceal Esther's Nationality for more details.
Halakhic Considerations – R. Yosef Chayyun says that Mordechai believed that the good coming from the fact that Esther could protect the Jews from religious persecution was worth the fact that Esther would transgress on certain prohibitions. He compares this to the Halakhah that one should violate Shabbat once so that one may keep many Shabbatot.

Esther didn't care

Esther wanted to become queen for the honor and power involved.

Did Esther Go Willingly? Radak claims that "וַתִּלָּקַח" implies going willingly, and not being taken by force.
Mordechai and Esther's Religious Identity – According to R. Y"S Reggio, Esther and Mordechai were certainly not knowledgeable in Halakhah, and may even have been non-observant. Therefore, they did not see any issue with Esther becoming queen.
"לֹא הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר אֶת עַמָּהּ וְאֶת מוֹלַדְתָּהּ" – According to R. Y"S Reggio, Esther was embarrassed by her exilic origins. See Why Conceal Esther's Nationality for more details.