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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – <p>R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish.  He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because after working hard to reform the wicked,<fn>According to R. Hirsch, Avraham assumed that nay righteous person  who lived in Sedom must have invested much effort in correcting his neighbors' behavior and tried to turn them towards the right path.</fn> it is distressful for to see them nonetheless perish.</p></point> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – <p>R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish.  He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because after working hard to reform the wicked,<fn>According to R. Hirsch, Avraham assumed that nay righteous person  who lived in Sedom must have invested much effort in correcting his neighbors' behavior and tried to turn them towards the right path.</fn> it is distressful for to see them nonetheless perish.</p></point> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – R. Hirsch distinguishes between the terms "לְמַעַן" and "בגלל", asserting that the former means "for the good of" rather than "because of".  Thus, Avraham was praying that all of the people in the city be saved as a reward for the righteous,<fn>See above that the righteous would be pained to watch the destruction of their  neighbors whom they had tried so valiantly (though unsuccessfully) to reform.</fn> but not due to their righteousness.</point> | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – R. Hirsch distinguishes between the terms "לְמַעַן" and "בגלל", asserting that the former means "for the good of" rather than "because of".  Thus, Avraham was praying that all of the people in the city be saved as a reward for the righteous,<fn>See above that the righteous would be pained to watch the destruction of their  neighbors whom they had tried so valiantly (though unsuccessfully) to reform.</fn> but not due to their righteousness.<fn>R. Hirsch might be hesitant to suggest that the wicked simply be saved collectively with the righteous, since they do not really deserve pardon.  Thus, he instead has Avraham justify their salvation by pointing out how their destruction would be an unjust punishment for others.</fn></point> |
− | <point><b>Meaning of  "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – This approach | + | <point><b>Meaning of  "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – This approach maintains that "לַמָּקוֹם" is a general term for all of the people of the city.</point> |
− | <point><b>"חָלִלָה לְּךָ מֵעֲשֹׂת כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה לְהָמִית צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – This sentence is problematic for R. Hirsch, since | + | <point><b>"חָלִלָה לְּךָ מֵעֲשֹׂת כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה לְהָמִית צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – This sentence is problematic for R. Hirsch, since it implies that Avraham is bothered by the possibility that the righteous will actually be killed (and not just distressed by the deaths of others).<fn>R. Hirsch attempts to explain that their distress at each lost life would be so great that it was almost like being killed, "והיה סובל יסורי – מות באבדן כל נפש".  This, though, is not the simple reading of the verse.</fn></point> |
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The three verses all constitute one request and refer only to the saving of the wicked.</point> | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The three verses all constitute one request and refer only to the saving of the wicked.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – According to R. S"R Hirsch it was obvious to | + | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – According to R. S"R Hirsch Avraham is not arguing about the injustice of collective punishment; it was obvious to him all along that Hashem would not kill the righteous.</point> |
− | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – According to R. Hirsch, Hashem agrees to save the wicked if there are a portion of righteous in the city, not | + | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – According to R. Hirsch, there is no collective salvation either.  Hashem agrees to save the wicked if there are a portion of righteous in the city, not because they are part of the collective, but because the very presence of righteous people proves that the wicked tolerated them and thus were not totally corrupt.<fn>He explains that in his answer to Avraham, Hashem uses the word "בַּעֲבוּרָם" rather than Avraham's "למען" to show that He is saving the wicked not for the good of the righteous, but because of their very existence.</fn></point> |
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> | <point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> | ||
<point><b>Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?</b></point> | <point><b>Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?</b></point> |
Version as of 14:05, 5 November 2014
Avraham's Prayer for Sedom
Exegetical Approaches
Even for Sinners
Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved. Commentators disagree, though, regarding whom Avraham was actively praying for:
For Both Righteous and Wicked
Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.
Specifically for the Wicked
Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.
R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish. He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because after working hard to reform the wicked,1 it is distressful for to see them nonetheless perish.
Only for the Righteous
Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.
These commentators differ in the understanding of this verse:
- Seforno explains
- Biur and R. Y"S Reggio say
For the Physical Location
Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.