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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:</p> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:</p> | ||
<ul> | <ul> | ||
− | <li>Seforno | + | <li>In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as statement and not a question.  Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that you should kill the righteous with the wicked..."<fn>He does not read "אַף" to mean also (like R. Y"S Reggio reads the word in verse 23) but rather "even though", and assumes that verses 24-25 are not two distinct statements but one long one.  This read chooses not to read the "ה" as a "ה' השאלה".</fn></li> |
</ul> | </ul> | ||
<ul> | <ul> | ||
− | <li>Biur and R. Y"S Reggio | + | <li>Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead assert that Avraham realized that Hashem meant to destroy Sedom via a messenger<fn>Avraham saw that the angels who had been speaking with him headed towards Sedom, leading him to conclude that they, rather than Hashem Himself, were sent to fulfill the decree of destruction.</fn> who would not be able to differentiate between good and evil.<fn>They compare this to the משחית in Egypt who also could not differentiate on his own between the Israelites and Egyptians.  when such messengers bring destruction, there is inevitably collective punishment and it is against this that Avraham is arguing.</fn>  He, thus, requests that Hashem save the entire immediate vicinity of the righteous so that they not perish with the wicked.</li> |
</ul></point> | </ul></point> | ||
− | <point><b>Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – Seforno explains "לַמָּקוֹם" to refer to all of the people in the city whereas the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio explain it to mean the people in the area | + | <point><b>Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – Seforno explains "לַמָּקוֹם" to refer to all of the people in the city whereas the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio explain it to mean the people in the specific area inhabited by the righteous.</point> |
− | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point> | + | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – <p>According to this approach all three verses form one argument, that justice demands that the righteous not be killed with the sinners. </p> |
− | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – R. Y"S Reggio</point> | + | <ul> |
− | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b></point> | + | <li>According to Seforno verse 23 is Avraham's opening question and then verses 24-25 together act as a reinforcing statement in which Avraham points out that although he does not expect the sinners to be saved,nonetheless the righteous should not die.</li> |
+ | <li>The Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead read verse 24 as a suggestion of how to implement the justice requested in verse 23, by saving the whole vicinity. In verse 25, Avraham concludes that if his suggestion is not taken, injustice will be done.<fn>According to both these reads there is no back and forth in Avraham's argument, but one point leads to the next.</fn></li> | ||
+ | </ul></point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – According to the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio, Avraham erroneously thought that Hashem meant to collectively punish the city.  In reality, Hashem knew all along that there were no righteous to save, and thus had no qualms about sending a messenger who would destroy indiscriminately.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – According to most of these commentators, though Avraham was only asking for the worthy to be saved, Hashem told him that He would be even willing to save the wicked if there were sufficient righteous people to merit it. Thus, Hashem was not only willing to avert collective punishment but also willing to collectively save.<fn>According to these commentators, the conversation between Avraham and Hashem switches its focus after Avraham's initial request. Once Avraham realizes Hashem is willing to even save the wicked, he bargains to that end.</fn></point> | ||
<point><b>Why does Avraham stop at 10?</b></point> | <point><b>Why does Avraham stop at 10?</b></point> | ||
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> | <point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> |
Version as of 03:11, 6 November 2014
Avraham's Prayer for Sedom
Exegetical Approaches
Even for Sinners
Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved. Commentators disagree, though, regarding whom Avraham was actively praying for:
For Both Righteous and Wicked
Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.
Specifically for the Wicked
Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.
R. S"R Hirsch does not address the meaning of the word "הַאַף" but seems to be reading the phrase as if written "הַתִּסְפֶּה אַף צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע". He explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish and suggests that Avraham is pointing out that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also, unjustly getting punished. After working hard to reform the wicked,1 it is distressful for them to see the people nonetheless perish.
For the Physical Location
Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.
Only for the Righteous
Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.
These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:
- In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as statement and not a question. Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that you should kill the righteous with the wicked..."18
- Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead assert that Avraham realized that Hashem meant to destroy Sedom via a messenger19 who would not be able to differentiate between good and evil.20 He, thus, requests that Hashem save the entire immediate vicinity of the righteous so that they not perish with the wicked.
According to this approach all three verses form one argument, that justice demands that the righteous not be killed with the sinners.
- According to Seforno verse 23 is Avraham's opening question and then verses 24-25 together act as a reinforcing statement in which Avraham points out that although he does not expect the sinners to be saved,nonetheless the righteous should not die.
- The Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead read verse 24 as a suggestion of how to implement the justice requested in verse 23, by saving the whole vicinity. In verse 25, Avraham concludes that if his suggestion is not taken, injustice will be done.21