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<p>Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.</p> | <p>Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="PhiloQuestionsandAnswersonGenesisIV-27" data-aht="source">Philo</a><a href="PhiloOntheBirthofAbel37-122" data-aht="source">On the Birth of Abel 37:122</a><a href="PhiloQuestionsandAnswersonGenesisIV-27" data-aht="source">Questions and Answers on Genesis, IV:27</a><a href="Philo" data-aht="parshan">About Philo</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 23</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse25" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 25</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Tanchuma</a><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Vayera 8</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AkeidatYitzchak19" data-aht="source">Akeidat Yitzchak</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchak19" data-aht="source">19</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Arama (Akeidat Yitzchak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Arama</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ShadalBereshit18-26" data-aht="source">Shadal</a><a href="ShadalBereshit18-26" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:26</a><a href="R. Shemuel David Luzzatto (Shadal)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel David Luzzatto</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-24</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit18-23-26" data-aht="source">R. D"Z Hoffmann</a><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit18-23-26" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-26</a><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit19-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 19:29</a><a href="R. David Zvi Hoffmann" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Zvi Hoffmann</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="PhiloQuestionsandAnswersonGenesisIV-27" data-aht="source">Philo</a><a href="PhiloOntheBirthofAbel37-122" data-aht="source">On the Birth of Abel 37:122</a><a href="PhiloQuestionsandAnswersonGenesisIV-27" data-aht="source">Questions and Answers on Genesis, IV:27</a><a href="Philo" data-aht="parshan">About Philo</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 23</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse25" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 25</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Tanchuma</a><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Vayera 8</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AkeidatYitzchak19" data-aht="source">Akeidat Yitzchak</a><a href="AkeidatYitzchak19" data-aht="source">19</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Arama (Akeidat Yitzchak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Arama</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ShadalBereshit18-26" data-aht="source">Shadal</a><a href="ShadalBereshit18-26" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:26</a><a href="R. Shemuel David Luzzatto (Shadal)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel David Luzzatto</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-24</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit18-23-26" data-aht="source">R. D"Z Hoffmann</a><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit18-23-26" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-26</a><a href="RDZHoffmannBereshit19-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 19:29</a><a href="R. David Zvi Hoffmann" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Zvi Hoffmann</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – All these sources agree that Avraham is questioning Hashem's collective punishment of the righteous, but differ in their understanding of the term "הַאַף": | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – All these sources agree that Avraham is questioning Hashem's collective punishment of the righteous,<fn>R. Yosef Bekhor Shor asserts that Avraham understood from Hashem's words "הַכְּצַעֲקָתָהּ הַבָּאָה אֵלַי עָשׂוּ כָּלָה" that Hashem intended to collectively destroy the entire city.</fn> but differ in their understanding of the term "הַאַף": |
<ul> | <ul> | ||
− | <li><b>Also</b> – According to R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, Avraham is asking Hashem, "[If the sinners are really the cause of the cry] will the righteous also perish with them?" | + | <li><b>Also</b> – According to R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, Avraham is asking Hashem, "[If the sinners are really the cause of the cry] will the righteous also perish with them?"</li> |
− | <li><b> | + | <li><b>Anger</b> – Most of the other commentators<fn>Shadal and Malbim do not take a stance on the issue.</fn> assert instead that the word "הַאַף‎" refers to Hashem's anger,<fn>See also <multilink><a href="OnkelosBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Onkelos</a><a href="OnkelosBereshit18-23-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-24</a><a href="Onkelos" data-aht="parshan">About Onkelos</a></multilink>, Neofiti, and <multilink><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanBereshit18-22" data-aht="source">Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanBereshit18-22" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:22</a><a href="Targum Pseudo-Jonathan" data-aht="parshan">About Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a></multilink>.</fn> and that Avraham is asking that Hashem not allow His anger to cause the worthy to perish with the wicked.<fn>The phrase reads: "will [your] anger destroy the righteous with the wicked?" R. D"Z Hoffmann points out that according to this read the word "אף"  is feminine (as it takes feminine form of the verb). Elsewhere in Tankah, though, the word is masculine.  See, for instance, Bereshit 30:2, Shemot 22:23 and 32:10.</fn></li> |
</ul></point> | </ul></point> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – These words constitute a further request, that Hashem | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – These words constitute a further request, that Hashem save even the wicked.  Most of these commentators understand this as a plea for mercy above and beyond the original demand for justice.  Akeidat Yitzchak and Abarbanel, though, assert that the request is intricately connected to the plea to save the righteous, and is for their sake (and not due to their merits).<fn>See points below for elaboration and Cf. R. Hirsch who reads these words similarly.</fn></point> |
<point><b>Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – The word is a form of metonymy, referring to all the people of the city rather than the locale itself.</point> | <point><b>Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – The word is a form of metonymy, referring to all the people of the city rather than the locale itself.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The various verses contain two distinct requests</point> | + | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The various verses contain two distinct requests, that Hashem not destroy the righteous (verses 23 and 25) and that he also save the wicked (vs 24). According to most of the commentators, Avraham goes back and forth between them.  According to Akeidat Yitzchak, though, the arguments flow from one to another.  After asking that the righteous be saved, Avraham asks that the wicked, too, be saved, for the sake of the righteous.  If the whole city was to perish, the righteous who depnded on them for all sots of resoucres, would eventually perish as well.  As such, Avraham reiterates that hashem would in efefct be equating worthy and worthy.</point> |
<point><b>Collective punishment</b></point> | <point><b>Collective punishment</b></point> | ||
<point><b>Collective salvation</b></point> | <point><b>Collective salvation</b></point> |
Version as of 13:14, 6 November 2014
Avraham's Prayer for Sedom
Exegetical Approaches
Even for Sinners
Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved. Commentators disagree, though, regarding whom Avraham was actively praying for:
For Both Righteous and Wicked
Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.
Sources:Philo, Bereshit Rabbah, Tanchuma, R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, Ramban, Akeidat Yitzchak, Abarbanel, Shadal, Malbim, R. D"Z Hoffmann
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע" – All these sources agree that Avraham is questioning Hashem's collective punishment of the righteous,1 but differ in their understanding of the term "הַאַף":
- Also – According to R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, Avraham is asking Hashem, "[If the sinners are really the cause of the cry] will the righteous also perish with them?"
- Anger – Most of the other commentators2 assert instead that the word "הַאַף" refers to Hashem's anger,3 and that Avraham is asking that Hashem not allow His anger to cause the worthy to perish with the wicked.4
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם" – These words constitute a further request, that Hashem save even the wicked. Most of these commentators understand this as a plea for mercy above and beyond the original demand for justice. Akeidat Yitzchak and Abarbanel, though, assert that the request is intricately connected to the plea to save the righteous, and is for their sake (and not due to their merits).5
Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם" – The word is a form of metonymy, referring to all the people of the city rather than the locale itself.
Relationship between verses 23-25 – The various verses contain two distinct requests, that Hashem not destroy the righteous (verses 23 and 25) and that he also save the wicked (vs 24). According to most of the commentators, Avraham goes back and forth between them. According to Akeidat Yitzchak, though, the arguments flow from one to another. After asking that the righteous be saved, Avraham asks that the wicked, too, be saved, for the sake of the righteous. If the whole city was to perish, the righteous who depnded on them for all sots of resoucres, would eventually perish as well. As such, Avraham reiterates that hashem would in efefct be equating worthy and worthy.
Collective punishment
Collective salvation
Why does Avraham stop at 10?
What happened at the end?
Was Avraham's prayer accepted?
Was Lot righteous?
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?
Specifically for the Wicked
Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.
Sources:R. S"R Hirsch
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע" – R. S"R Hirsch does not address the meaning of the word "הַאַף" but seems to be reading the phrase as if written "הַתִּסְפֶּה אַף צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע". He explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish and suggests that Avraham is pointing out that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also, unjustly getting punished. After working hard to reform the wicked,6 it is distressful for them to see the people nonetheless perish.
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם" – R. Hirsch distinguishes between the terms "לְמַעַן" and "בגלל", asserting that the former means "for the good/sake of" rather than "because of". Thus, Avraham was praying that all of the people in the city be saved as a reward for the righteous,7 but not due to their righteousness.8
Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם" – This approach maintains that "לַמָּקוֹם" is a general term for all of the people of the city.
"חָלִלָה לְּךָ מֵעֲשֹׂת כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה לְהָמִית צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע" – This sentence is problematic for R. Hirsch, since it implies that Avraham is bothered by the possibility that the righteous will actually be killed (and not just distressed by the deaths of others).9
Relationship between verses 23-25 – The three verses all constitute one request and refer only to the injustice that would be done to the righteous through the destruction of the wicked..
Collective punishment – According to R. S"R Hirsch, Avraham is not arguing about the injustice of collective punishment; it was obvious to him all along that Hashem would not kill the righteous.
Collective salvation – According to R. Hirsch there is no collective salvation either. Hashem agrees to save the wicked if there are a portion of righteous in the city, not because they are part of the collective,10 but because the very presence of righteous people proves that the wicked tolerated them and thus were not totally corrupt.11
Why does Avraham stop at 10? R. Hirsch asserts that Avraham understood why Hashem was willing to save the wicked,12 and realized that if there were less than ten righteous, the fact that they were tolerated is no longer such a merit for the wicked, since it is likely that they simply dismissed them as insignificant.13
What happened at the end? Though Hashem accepts Avraham's prayer, apparently there were not enough righteous people to be found to enable a saving of the wicked.
Was Avraham's prayer accepted?
Why was Lot saved? R. Hirsch writes that Lot was "only with difficulty worthy of salvation". It was Hashem's attribute of mercy rather than justice which saved him.
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?
For the Physical Location
Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע" – Radak understands "הַאַף" to mean "הגם" and that Avraham is questioning if killing the righteous with the wicked is also part of the sentence of the wicked.14
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם" – According to all these sources, these words represent a second request, that Hashem should not destroy the city itself,15 but the commentators differ in their understanding of Avraham's reasoning. Radak asserts that Avraham was requesting that the city be saved due to the merit of the righteous people while Ma'asei Hashem maintains that Avraham did not think it just that the righteous should lose their land.16
Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם" – This approach holds that "לַמָּקוֹם" means literally the land itself.
Relationship between verses 23-25 – According to these commentators the verses contain two different requests, that the righteous be saved (verses 23 and 25) and that the land not be destroyed (verse 24). According to Ma'asei Hashem the common denominator is the demand that justice be done to the worthy people of the city. However, it is unclear why Avraham goes back and forth between his different requests.
Collective punishment – This approach might maintain that Hashem had never planned to collectively punish Sedom; there were simply no righteous people to save. Avraham, however, was unaware of this reality and mistakenly thought that Hashem was going to unjustly destroy them and their land.17
Collective salvation – According to this approach there is no discussion of collective salvation by either Avraham or Hashem; both believe that the sinners to be punished and that it would be unjust for them to be saved.18
Why does Avraham stop at ten? R. Yehudah HaChasid and Radak assert if there are less than 10 righteous people, there is no longer any justification to save the land.19 Regarding the salvation of the righteous, though, one would think that it should not matter how many or few there were; each should be saved for his own deeds regardless of the presence of others. Ma'asei Hashem, in fact, asserts that Avraham had planned on asking Hashem to save even one, but Hashem ended the conversation before he could.
What happened at the end? The land and people were destroyed since there were no righteous people.
Punishing the land?
Why was Lot saved? Radak and Ma'asei Hashem both maintain that Lot was not righteous and was saved not due to his goodness, but out of kindness to Avraham.20
Only for the Righteous
Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע" – All these sources assume that Avraham is questioning the justice of killing the righteous together with the sinners,23 but disagree regarding the meaning of the word "הַאַף".
- Also – R. Y"S Reggio understands it to mean "הגם" and that Avraham is saying, "Will you also kill the righteous?"
- In anger – The Biur, instead, relates the word to anger,24 and has Avraham question why Hashem needs to act with His attribute of justice, which inevitably leads to collective rather than individual punishment.25
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם" – These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:
- In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as a statement and not a question.26 Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that You should kill the righteous with the wicked...".27
- Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead assert that Avraham realized that Hashem meant to destroy Sedom via a messenger28 who would not be able to differentiate between good and evil.29 He, thus, requests that Hashem save the entire immediate vicinity of the righteous so that they not perish with the wicked.30
Meaning of "לַמָּקוֹם" – Seforno explains "לַמָּקוֹם" to refer to all of the people in the city whereas the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio explain it to mean the people in the specific area inhabited by the righteous.
Relationship between verses 23-25 – According to this approach all three verses form one argument, that justice demands that the righteous not be killed with the sinners.
- According to Seforno, verse 23 is Avraham's opening question and then verses 24-25 together act as a reinforcing statement in which Avraham points out that although he does not expect the sinners to be saved, nonetheless the righteous should not die.
- The Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead read verse 24 as a suggestion of how to implement the justice requested in verse 23.31 In verse 25, Avraham concludes that if his suggestion is not taken, injustice will be done.32
Collective punishment – According to the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio,33 Avraham erroneously thought that Hashem meant to collectively punish the city. In reality, Hashem knew all along that there were no righteous to save, and thus had no qualms about sending a messenger who would destroy indiscriminately.
Collective salvation – These sources divide in their understanding of the role of collective salvation in the story:
- According to most of these commentators, even though Avraham only spoke about saving the righteous, Hashem responded that He would be even willing to save the wicked if there were sufficient righteous people34 to merit it.35 Thus, Hashem was not only willing to avert collective punishment but also to collectively save.36
- According to the fragment from Qumran, in contrast, neither Avraham nor Hashem looked to save the sinners, as they did not deserve it. A discomfort with the concept of collective salvation is probably motivating their entire read of the story.37
Why does Avraham stop at 10?
What happened at the end? Seforno asserts that the messengers go to verify if there are any righteous, and conclude that there are not, leading to the city's destruction..
Why was Lot saved? According to the Biur, Lot was not a sinner, but his choice to leave Avraham and join the corrupt of Sedom made him deserving of some level of punishment. Due to Avraham's merits, though, Hashem decided to save him totally.
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?
- "לַעֲשׂוֹת צְדָקָה וּמִשְׁפָּט" – Seforno explains that Hashem wanted to teach Avraham about his attributes of both mercy and justice. Wherever there is a quorum of righteous who might be able to lead the wicked to repent, Hashem is willing to grant them a stay. If not, though, justice will be done.38
- "הָיוֹ יִהְיֶה לְגוֹי גָּדוֹל" – The Biur and R. Y"S Reggio assert that since Avraham was to become a well known nation, Hashem did not want future generations to complain that Avraham had not attempted to avert the disaster. Hashem, thus, gave him an opening to pray on Sedom's behalf.39