Difference between revisions of "Avraham's Prayer for Sedom/2/en"
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">R. S"R Hirsch</a><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-25</a><a href="R. Samson Raphael Hirsch" data-aht="parshan">About R. Samson Raphael Hirsch</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">R. S"R Hirsch</a><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-25</a><a href="R. Samson Raphael Hirsch" data-aht="parshan">About R. Samson Raphael Hirsch</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – <p>R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish.  He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because it is distressful for them to watch the people they worked hard to bring back to the right path get destroyed.</p></point> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – <p>R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish.  He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because it is distressful for them to watch the people they worked hard to bring back to the right path get destroyed.</p></point> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – R. Hirsch distinguishes between the terms "לְמַעַן" and "בגלל", asserting that the former means "for the good of" rather than "because of".  Thus, Avraham was praying that all of the people in the city be saved for | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – R. Hirsch distinguishes between the terms "לְמַעַן" and "בגלל", asserting that the former means "for the good of" rather than "because of".  Thus, Avraham was praying that all of the people in the city be saved as a reward for the righteous, but not due to their righteousness.</point> |
− | <point><b> | + | <point><b>Meaning of  "לַמָּקוֹם"</b> – This approach holds that "לַמָּקוֹם" is a general term for all of the people of the city.</point> |
− | <point><b>"חָלִלָה לְּךָ מֵעֲשֹׂת כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה לְהָמִית צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – This sentence is problematic for R. Hirsch, since</point> | + | <point><b>"חָלִלָה לְּךָ מֵעֲשֹׂת כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה לְהָמִית צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – This sentence is problematic for R. Hirsch, since its simple meaning is that Avraham is bothered by the possibility that the righteous will actually be killed (and not just distressed by the deaths of others).</point> |
− | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point> | + | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The three verses all constitute one request and refer only to the saving of the wicked.</point> |
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – According to R. S"R Hirsch it was obvious to Avraham that Hashem does not kill righteous people and there was no doubt that they will be saved.</point> | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – According to R. S"R Hirsch it was obvious to Avraham that Hashem does not kill righteous people and there was no doubt that they will be saved.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b></point> | + | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – According to R. Hirsch, Hashem agrees to save the wicked if there are a portion of righteous in the city, not as part of the collective, but because the very presence of righteous people proves that the wicked tolerate them and thus were not totally corrupt.<fn>He explains that the word, "בַּעֲבוּרָם"</fn></point> |
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> | <point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point> | ||
<point><b>Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?</b></point> | <point><b>Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?</b></point> | ||
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<p>Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.</p> | <p>Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – Avraham is asking that the righteous should be saved and not die with the sinners.</point> |
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators differ in the understanding of this verse:</p> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators differ in the understanding of this verse:</p> | ||
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<li>Biur and R. Y"S Reggio say</li> | <li>Biur and R. Y"S Reggio say</li> | ||
</ul></point> | </ul></point> | ||
− | <point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b> Seforno explains "לַמָּקוֹם" | + | <point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b> Seforno explains "לַמָּקוֹם" to refer to all of the people in the city whereas the Biur and R. Y"S Reggio explain it to mean the people in the area where the righteous live.</point> |
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point> | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point> | ||
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – R. Y"S Reggio</point> | <point><b>Collective Punishment</b> – R. Y"S Reggio</point> | ||
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</category> | </category> | ||
<category name="">For the Physical Location | <category name="">For the Physical Location | ||
− | <p>Avraham was | + | <p>Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.</p> |
<mekorot><multilink><a href="MoshavZekeinimBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">R. Yehuda HaChasid</a><a href="MoshavZekeinimBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="Moshav Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Moshav Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem</a><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Avot 17</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Maasei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="MoshavZekeinimBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">R. Yehuda HaChasid</a><a href="MoshavZekeinimBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="Moshav Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Moshav Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem</a><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Avot 17</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Maasei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – This approach explains that in this verse, Avraham was requesting that Hashem not kill the righteous with the wicked.  According to Ma'asei Hashem Avraham has two requests:  that the righteous should be saved and that the land should be saved.</point> |
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – These commentators agree that in these words Avraham was praying that Hashem should not destroy the city itself but differ regarding the reason.   Radak asserts that Avraham was requesting that the city be saved due to the merit of the righteous people while Ma'asei Hashem maintains that Avraham did not think it just that the righteous should lose their land.<fn>Ma'asei Hashem adds that Avraham might be further motivated to save the land because it was promised to him with the rest of Israel.</fn></point> |
<point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b> This approach holds that "לַמָּקוֹם" means literally the land itself.</point> | <point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b> This approach holds that "לַמָּקוֹם" means literally the land itself.</point> | ||
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The Ma'asei Hashem holds that in all of the verses Avraham is asking Hashem to do justice although there are two different requests.  In verse 23 and 25 Avraham asks Hashem to save the righteous and then in verse 24 Avraham asks that the land should be saved.  However, it is unclear why Avraham goes back and forth between his different requests.</point> | <point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b> – The Ma'asei Hashem holds that in all of the verses Avraham is asking Hashem to do justice although there are two different requests.  In verse 23 and 25 Avraham asks Hashem to save the righteous and then in verse 24 Avraham asks that the land should be saved.  However, it is unclear why Avraham goes back and forth between his different requests.</point> |
Version as of 11:13, 5 November 2014
Avraham's Prayer for Sedom
Exegetical Approaches
Even for Sinners
Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved. Commentators disagree, though, regarding whom Avraham was actively praying for:
For Both Righteous and Wicked
Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.
Specifically for the Wicked
Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.
R. S"R Hirsch explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish. He says that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also getting punished because it is distressful for them to watch the people they worked hard to bring back to the right path get destroyed.
Only for the Righteous
Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.
These commentators differ in the understanding of this verse:
- Seforno explains
- Biur and R. Y"S Reggio say
For the Physical Location
Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.