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<opinion name="">For Both Righteous and Wicked | <opinion name="">For Both Righteous and Wicked | ||
<p>Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.</p> | <p>Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 23</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse25" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 25</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse23" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 23</a><a href="BereshitRabbahAlbeck49verse25" data-aht="source">(Albeck) 49, verse 25</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Tanchuma</a><a href="TanchumaVayera8" data-aht="source">Vayera 8</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point> | ||
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point> | ||
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<p>Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.</p> | <p>Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="QumranScroll4Q252Fragments13-5Column3" data-aht="source">Qumran</a><a href="QumranScroll4Q252Fragments13-5Column3" data-aht="source">Scroll 4Q252 Fragments 1,3-5 Column 3</a><a href="Qumran Scrolls" data-aht="parshan">About the Qumran Scrolls</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="QumranScroll4Q252Fragments13-5Column3" data-aht="source">Qumran</a><a href="QumranScroll4Q252Fragments13-5Column3" data-aht="source">Scroll 4Q252 Fragments 1,3-5 Column 3</a><a href="Qumran Scrolls" data-aht="parshan">About the Qumran Scrolls</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23,24,26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – All these sources assume that Avraham is questioning the justice of killing the righteous together with the sinners,<fn>R. Y"S Reggio asserts that Avraham understood from Hashem's words "הַכְּצַעֲקָתָהּ הַבָּאָה אֵלַי עָשׂוּ כָּלָה" that he was planning on bringing total destruction on the city. Seforno who, instead, maintains that the word "כָּלָה" means כולם, must find a different verse which led Avraham to assume that Hashem meant to punish all. He thus suggests that Hashem's words "זַעֲקַת סְדֹם וַעֲמֹרָה כִּי רָבָּה" led Avraham to believe that Hashem was judging the city based on the majority of its inhabitants, and not each according to his deeds.</fn> but | + | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b> – <p>All these sources assume that Avraham is questioning the justice of killing the righteous together with the sinners,<fn>R. Y"S Reggio asserts that Avraham understood from Hashem's words "הַכְּצַעֲקָתָהּ הַבָּאָה אֵלַי עָשׂוּ כָּלָה" that he was planning on bringing total destruction on the city. Seforno who, instead, maintains that the word "כָּלָה" means כולם, must find a different verse which led Avraham to assume that Hashem meant to punish all. He thus suggests that Hashem's words "זַעֲקַת סְדֹם וַעֲמֹרָה כִּי רָבָּה" led Avraham to believe that Hashem was judging the city based on the majority of its inhabitants, and not each according to his deeds.</fn> but disagree regarding the meaning of the word "הַאַף".</p> |
+ | <ul> | ||
+ | <li>R. Y"S Reggio understands it to mean "הגם"‎ and that Avraham is saying, "Will you also kill the righteous?"</li> | ||
+ | <li>The Biur, instead, relates the word to anger,<fn>Cf. Ramban above.</fn> and has Avraham question why Hashem needs to act with His attribute of justice, which inevitably leads to collective rather than individual punishment.<fn>See below that he assumes that Hashem was to destroy Sedom via a messenger who could not differentiate between good and bad, especially if He was sent to quell Hashem's anger.</fn></li> | ||
+ | </ul></point> | ||
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:</p> | <point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b> – <p>These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:</p> | ||
<ul> | <ul> | ||
− | <li>In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as a statement and not a question.  Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that You should kill the righteous with the wicked..."<fn> | + | <li>In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as a statement and not a question.<fn>He seems to be ignoring the initial "ה" in the word "הַאַף" which is normally read as a question marker, or  "ה' השאלה".</fn>  Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that You should kill the righteous with the wicked..."<fn>Seforno is assuming that verses 24-25 are not two distinct statements but one connected one.</fn></li> |
</ul> | </ul> | ||
<ul> | <ul> | ||
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<point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – <p>These sources divide in their understanding of the role of collective salvation in the story:</p> | <point><b>Collective Salvation</b> – <p>These sources divide in their understanding of the role of collective salvation in the story:</p> | ||
<ul> | <ul> | ||
− | <li>According to most of these commentators, even though Avraham only spoke about saving the righteous, Hashem responded that He would be even willing to save the wicked if there were sufficient righteous people to merit it.<fn>R. Y"S Reggio | + | <li>According to most of these commentators, even though Avraham only spoke about saving the righteous, Hashem responded that He would be even willing to save the wicked if there were sufficient righteous people<fn>Seforno defines the righteous as people who are willing to protest the evil of Sedom and stand up against the wicked and attempt to reform them.  Cf. Radak above.</fn> to merit it.<fn>R. Y"S Reggio supports this change of focus by contrasting Avraham's usage of the word "לְמַעַן" (for the sake of), with Hashem saying that he will save the wicked, "בַּעֲבוּרָם", due to the merits of the righteous.</fn> Thus, Hashem was not only willing to avert collective punishment but also to collectively save.<fn><p>According to these commentators, the conversation between Avraham and Hashem switches its focus after Avraham's initial request. Once Avraham realizes Hashem is willing to even save the wicked, he bargains to that end. These commentators, thus, are not bothered by the notion of collective salvation, and this is not what is driving their read of the verses. Perhaps they are simply uncomfortable with the notion of Avraham <i>demanding</i> something which is undeserved.</p></fn></li> |
<li>According to the fragment from Qumran, in contrast, neither Avraham nor Hashem looked to save the sinners, as they did not deserve it.  A discomfort with the concept of collective salvation is probably motivating their entire read of the story.<fn><p>Knowing the strict nature of the Qumran community, it is not surprising that they would be motivated to read the story as one revolving around strict justice, with no room for mercy on the sinners.</p> | <li>According to the fragment from Qumran, in contrast, neither Avraham nor Hashem looked to save the sinners, as they did not deserve it.  A discomfort with the concept of collective salvation is probably motivating their entire read of the story.<fn><p>Knowing the strict nature of the Qumran community, it is not surprising that they would be motivated to read the story as one revolving around strict justice, with no room for mercy on the sinners.</p> | ||
<p>?? comparison to the case of עיר נדחת</p></fn></li> | <p>?? comparison to the case of עיר נדחת</p></fn></li> | ||
</ul></point> | </ul></point> | ||
<point><b>Why does Avraham stop at 10?</b></point> | <point><b>Why does Avraham stop at 10?</b></point> | ||
− | <point><b>What happened at the end?</b> Seforno asserts that the messengers go to verify if there are any righteous, and conclude that there are not.</point> | + | <point><b>What happened at the end?</b> Seforno asserts that the messengers go to verify if there are any righteous, and conclude that there are not, leading to the city's destruction..</point> |
− | <point><b>Why was Lot saved?</b></point> | + | <point><b>Why was Lot saved?</b> According to the Biur, Lot was not a sinner, but his choice to leave Avraham and join the corrupt of Sedom made him deserving of some level of punishment.  Due to Avraham's merits, though, Hashem decided to save him totally.</point> |
− | <point><b>Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?</b> Seforno explains that</point> | + | <point><b>Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?</b> Seforno explains that Hashem wanted to teach Avraham about his attributes of both mercy and jsutice.  Wherever there is a quorum of righteous who might be able to lead the wicked to repent, Hashem is willing to grant them a stay.  If not, though, justice would be done.<fn>According to seforno Hashm is sharing with Avrahm so that he can learn "לַעֲשׂוֹת צְדָקָה וּמִשְׁפָּט", and pass those traits on to his children.</fn></point> |
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Version as of 06:50, 6 November 2014
Avraham's Prayer for Sedom
Exegetical Approaches
Even for Sinners
Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved. Commentators disagree, though, regarding whom Avraham was actively praying for:
For Both Righteous and Wicked
Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the wicked.
Specifically for the Wicked
Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.
R. S"R Hirsch does not address the meaning of the word "הַאַף" but seems to be reading the phrase as if written "הַתִּסְפֶּה אַף צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע". He explains the word "תִּסְפֶּה" as to punish and suggests that Avraham is pointing out that by killing the sinners, the righteous are also, unjustly getting punished. After working hard to reform the wicked,1 it is distressful for them to see the people nonetheless perish.
For the Physical Location
Avraham was praying for both the righteous of Sedom, and that Hashem not destroy the land itself.
Only for the Righteous
Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.
All these sources assume that Avraham is questioning the justice of killing the righteous together with the sinners,17 but disagree regarding the meaning of the word "הַאַף".
- R. Y"S Reggio understands it to mean "הגם" and that Avraham is saying, "Will you also kill the righteous?"
- The Biur, instead, relates the word to anger,18 and has Avraham question why Hashem needs to act with His attribute of justice, which inevitably leads to collective rather than individual punishment.19
These commentators all agree that these words are a continuation of Avraham's original argument, but differ in their specific understanding of the verse:
- In contrast to most commentators, Seforno reads these words of Avraham as a statement and not a question.20 Avraham is telling Hashem, "Even though You do not plan to save the wicked due to the righteous, it is still unfathomable that You should kill the righteous with the wicked..."21
- Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead assert that Avraham realized that Hashem meant to destroy Sedom via a messenger22 who would not be able to differentiate between good and evil.23 He, thus, requests that Hashem save the entire immediate vicinity of the righteous so that they not perish with the wicked.24
According to this approach all three verses form one argument, that justice demands that the righteous not be killed with the sinners.
- According to Seforno, verse 23 is Avraham's opening question and then verses 24-25 together act as a reinforcing statement in which Avraham points out that although he does not expect the sinners to be saved, nonetheless the righteous should not die.
- The Biur and R. Y"S Reggio instead read verse 24 as a suggestion of how to implement the justice requested in verse 23.25 In verse 25, Avraham concludes that if his suggestion is not taken, injustice will be done.26
These sources divide in their understanding of the role of collective salvation in the story:
- According to most of these commentators, even though Avraham only spoke about saving the righteous, Hashem responded that He would be even willing to save the wicked if there were sufficient righteous people28 to merit it.29 Thus, Hashem was not only willing to avert collective punishment but also to collectively save.30
- According to the fragment from Qumran, in contrast, neither Avraham nor Hashem looked to save the sinners, as they did not deserve it. A discomfort with the concept of collective salvation is probably motivating their entire read of the story.31