Difference between revisions of "Avraham's Prayer for Sedom/2/en"

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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit18-2428" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24,28</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-23" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Nachmanides</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point>
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<point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point>
 
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
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<point><b>Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?</b></point>
 
</opinion>
 
</opinion>
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<opinion name="">Only for the Wicked
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<opinion name="">Specifically for the Wicked
 
<p>Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.</p>
 
<p>Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">R. S"R Hirsch</a><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-25</a><a href="R. Samson Raphael Hirsch" data-aht="parshan">About R. Samson Raphael Hirsch</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">R. S"R Hirsch</a><a href="RSRHirschBereshit18-23-25" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23-25</a><a href="R. Samson Raphael Hirsch" data-aht="parshan">About R. Samson Raphael Hirsch</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point>
 +
<point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b></point>
 +
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24, 26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23, 24, 26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23, 24, 26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-17" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:17</a><a href="SefornoBereshit18-2426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24, 26</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23, 24, 26</a><a href="Biur" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">R. Y"S Reggio</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-18" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:18</a><a href="RYSReggioBereshit18-232426" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:23, 24, 26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio (Yashar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point>
 +
<point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b></point>
 +
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem</a><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Avot 17</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Maasei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit18-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:24</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem</a><a href="MaaseiHashemMaaseiAvot17" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Avot 17</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Maasei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"</b></point>
 +
<point><b>What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?</b></point>
 +
<point><b>Relationship between verses 23-25</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>Collective Punishment</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>
 
<point><b>What happened at the end?</b></point>

Version as of 12:04, 2 November 2014

Avraham's Prayer for Sedom

Exegetical Approaches

THIS TOPIC IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS

Even for Sinners

Avraham wanted all of the people in Sedom to be saved.  Commentators disagree, though, about for whom Avraham was actively praying:

For Both Righteous and Wicked

Avraham was praying for everyone in Sedom to be saved, both the righteous and the sinners.

Sources:R. Yosef Bekhor ShorBereshit 18:24,28About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, RambanBereshit 18:23About R. Moshe Nachmanides
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"
What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?
Relationship between verses 23-25
Collective Punishment
What happened at the end?
Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?
Was Lot Righteous?
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?

Specifically for the Wicked

Avraham was only praying for the sinners, being certain that Hashem would save the righteous even without his request.

Sources:R. S"R HirschBereshit 18:23-25About R. Samson Raphael Hirsch
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"
What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?
Relationship between verses 23-25
Collective Punishment
What happened at the end?
Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?
Was Lot Righteous?
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?

Only for the Righteous

Avraham was praying only for the righteous, that they should not die due to the rest of the people's sins.

Sources:SefornoBereshit 18:17Bereshit 18:24, 26About R. Ovadyah Seforno, BiurBereshit 18:23, 24, 26About the Biur, R. Y"S ReggioBereshit 18:18Bereshit 18:23, 24, 26About R. Yitzchak Shemuel Reggio
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"
What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?
Relationship between verses 23-25
Collective Punishment
What happened at the end?
Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?
Was Lot Righteous?
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?

For the Physical Location

Avraham was not praying for the people of Sedom, but rather asking that Hashem not destroy the land itself.

Sources:RadakBereshit 18:24About R. David Kimchi, Ma'asei HashemMa'asei Avot 17About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה צַדִּיק עִם רָשָׁע"
"הַאַף תִּסְפֶּה וְלֹא תִשָּׂא לַמָּקוֹם לְמַעַן חֲמִשִּׁים הַצַּדִּיקִם"
What does "לַמָּקוֹם" mean?
Relationship between verses 23-25
Collective Punishment
What happened at the end?
Was Avraham's Prayer Accepted?
Was Lot Righteous?
Why does Hashem tell Avraham about Sedom?
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