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<topic>When did the nation arrive at Mount Sinai?  On what date was the Decalogue given?
 
<topic>When did the nation arrive at Mount Sinai?  On what date was the Decalogue given?
<opinion>See <aht page="Chronology – Shemot 19">here</aht> for a discussion of the chronology of Chapter 19.  If the nation arrived at Mount Sinai on the first of the third month and the Decalogue was given on the sixth day of the month, it would be difficult to say that all of the events of Chapter 18 took place at Sinai but before the Decalogue.  Thus, Josephus is able to adopt his position regarding the Yitro story only because he does not give a date for the giving of the Decalogue.</opinion>
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<opinion>See <a href="Chronology – Shemot 19" data-aht="page">here</a> for a discussion of the chronology of Chapter 19.  If the nation arrived at Mount Sinai on the first of the third month and the Decalogue was given on the sixth day of the month, it would be difficult to say that all of the events of Chapter 18 took place at Sinai but before the Decalogue.  Thus, Josephus is able to adopt his position regarding the Yitro story only because he does not give a date for the giving of the Decalogue.</opinion>
 
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<topic>Was Yitro present for the revelation at Sinai?
 
<topic>Was Yitro present for the revelation at Sinai?
<opinion>Pesikta DeRav Kahana and Tanchuma (Buber) Yitro claim that presence at Sinai was reserved for the Jewish people.  Thus, they maintain that Yitro both came and left before the Decalogue.</opinion>
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<opinion>Pesikta DeRav Kahana and Tanchuma (Buber) Yitro claim that presence at Sinai was reserved for the Children of Israel.  Thus, they maintain that Yitro both came and left before the Decalogue.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Yitro was not present also according to the opinions that he came after the Decalogue.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Yitro was not present also according to the opinions that he came after the Decalogue.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Only according to the middle positions that Yitro came before the Decalogue and left afterwards was Yitro present for the Decalogue.  Minchah Belulah Shemot 18:5 states explicitly that Yitro's purpose in coming was to be present for the revelation, and thus he came also with his own wife and children, in addition to Zipporah and her sons.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Only according to the middle positions that Yitro came before the Decalogue and left afterwards was Yitro present for the Decalogue.  Minchah Belulah Shemot 18:5 states explicitly that Yitro's purpose in coming was to be present for the revelation, and thus he came also with his own wife and children, in addition to Zipporah and her sons.</opinion>
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<topic>Were "peace offerings" (שלמים) offered before the revelation at Sinai?
 
<topic>Were "peace offerings" (שלמים) offered before the revelation at Sinai?
<opinion>Yerushalmi Megillah 1:11, Bereshit Rabbah 22:5, and Bavli Zevachim 115b-116a record a dispute as to whether peace offerings were offered before the revelation at Sinai, and they say that the opinions correspond to the positions on whether Yitro came before or after the Decalogue.<fn>See the close parallel in Vayikra Rabbah 9:6 in which the dispute hinges on whether Yitro converted before or after the Decalogue.  Some manuscripts of Vayikra Rabbah are missing the word <transliterate>nitgayyer</transliterate> and read like Bereshit Rabbah.</fn>  R. Saadia adopts the position that there were no peace offerings beforehand and hence claims that Yitro came after the Decalogue.  See <a href="$">here</a> for a discussion of the institution of sacrifices before the revelation at Sinai.</opinion>
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<opinion>Yerushalmi Megillah 1:11, Bereshit Rabbah 22:5, and Bavli Zevachim 115b-116a record a dispute as to whether peace offerings were offered before the revelation at Sinai, and they say that the opinions correspond to the positions on whether Yitro came before or after the Decalogue.<fn>See the close parallel in Vayikra Rabbah 9:6 in which the dispute hinges on whether Yitro converted before or after the Decalogue.  Some manuscripts of Vayikra Rabbah are missing the word <i>nitgayyer</i> and read like Bereshit Rabbah.</fn>  R. Saadia adopts the position that there were no peace offerings beforehand and hence claims that Yitro came after the Decalogue.  See <a href="$">here</a> for a discussion of the institution of sacrifices before the revelation at Sinai.</opinion>
 
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<topic>Did Yitro convert?
 
<topic>Did Yitro convert?
<opinion>Yes – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael Yitro Amalek 1, Bavli Zevachim 116a,<fn>This is explicit in the printed editions of the Bavli which read 'and he converted' (ונתגייר).  [Cf. Vayikra Rabbah 9:6 and the textual discussion in the note above.]  However, most manuscripts (as well as the Sheiltot #166) do not contain that word.</fn> Ramban.  If Yitro converted, it is likely that he would have chosen to remain with the Jewish people.  Thus, R"E HaModai in Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael Yitro Amalek 2 and Ramban assume that Yitro converted, went back and forth, and ultimately stayed on with the nation.</opinion>
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<opinion>Yes – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael Yitro Amalek 1, Bavli Zevachim 116a,<fn>This is explicit in the printed editions of the Bavli which read 'and he converted' (ונתגייר).  [Cf. Vayikra Rabbah 9:6 and the textual discussion in the note above.]  However, most manuscripts (as well as the Sheiltot #166) do not contain that word.</fn> Ramban.  If Yitro converted, it is likely that he would have chosen to remain with the Children of Israel.  Thus, R"E HaModai in Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael Yitro Amalek 2 and Ramban assume that Yitro converted, went back and forth, and ultimately stayed on with the nation.</opinion>
 
<opinion>No – Shadal and Cassuto posit that he did not convert, came only once, and left.</opinion>
 
<opinion>No – Shadal and Cassuto posit that he did not convert, came only once, and left.</opinion>
<opinion>See <aht page="Yitro – Religious Identity">here</aht> for a discussion of Yitro's religious beliefs during the various stages of his life.</opinion>
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<opinion>See <a href="Yitro – Religious Identity" data-aht="page">here</a> for a discussion of Yitro's religious beliefs during the various stages of his life.</opinion>
 
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<topic>Did the Jewish people receive civil laws at Mara?
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<topic>Did the Children of Israel receive civil laws at Mara?
<opinion>See <aht page="Miracles and Mitzvot at Marah">Miracles and Mitzvot at Marah</aht> for a discussion of the meaning of "there (at Mara) he made a statute and an ordinance for them" in Shemot 15:25.  According to those who interpret this verse as referring to the giving of laws, Moshe already had laws to teach the people even if Yitro arrived before the Decalogue.</opinion>
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<opinion>See <a href="Miracles and Mitzvot at Marah" data-aht="page">Miracles and Mitzvot at Marah</a> for a discussion of the meaning of "there (at Mara) he made a statute and an ordinance for them" in Shemot 15:25.  According to those who interpret this verse as referring to the giving of laws, Moshe already had laws to teach the people even if Yitro arrived before the Decalogue.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Those who interpret this verse in other ways, need to either maintain that Moshe's reference to teaching the laws in the second half of Chapter 18 was after the Decalogue (as Rashbam does), or say that it refers to ad hoc laws given before Sinai (Shadal).</opinion>
 
<opinion>Those who interpret this verse in other ways, need to either maintain that Moshe's reference to teaching the laws in the second half of Chapter 18 was after the Decalogue (as Rashbam does), or say that it refers to ad hoc laws given before Sinai (Shadal).</opinion>
 
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<topic>Why did Moshe not come up with Yitro's advice on his own?
 
<topic>Why did Moshe not come up with Yitro's advice on his own?
<p>See <aht page="Did Moshe Need Yitro's Advice">here</aht> for expansion.</p>
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<p>See <a href="Did Moshe Need Yitro's Advice" data-aht="page">here</a> for expansion.</p>
 
<opinion>Moshe was always planning to appoint judges, but he was waiting for Divine instructions to convey all of the laws to the people – Akeidat Yitzchak and Abarbanel.</opinion>
 
<opinion>Moshe was always planning to appoint judges, but he was waiting for Divine instructions to convey all of the laws to the people – Akeidat Yitzchak and Abarbanel.</opinion>
 
<opinion>In the initial stage, Moshe needed to judge the people himself in order to win over their hearts so that they would accept the Torah and its commandments – Shadal 18:24.</opinion>
 
<opinion>In the initial stage, Moshe needed to judge the people himself in order to win over their hearts so that they would accept the Torah and its commandments – Shadal 18:24.</opinion>

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