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<li>Those who posit that the water began to recede after the rain stopped have an even bigger problem, since according to them, initially the water receded only 15 cubits in over 180 days!<fn>There was 110 days until the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month and then another 73 days until the mountain tops were revealed on the first of the tenth month.&#160; See note above that R"Y Bekhor Shor assumes that for these 180 days there was a steady rate of reduction, 1 cubit every 12 days.&#160; The next 90 days (until the land dried on the first of the first month), though would have to see a reduction of at least 100 cubits per day, if a mountain's height of water still needed to be lowered!</fn>&#160;&#160; Shadal minimizes the problem by asserting that by the time the ark landed on 7/17, more than 15 cubits of water had already receded, since Mt. Ararat was not the tallest, but rather one of the shorter mountains.<fn>In other areas, the tops of the tallest mountains would have already been revealed.&#160; It was only the shorter mountain tops that were first revealed on 10/1. See Ramban in the note above who explains similarly.</fn>&#160; There would, nonetheless, still seem to be a significant increase in the rate of water reduction in the last 3 months, assuming that even the shorter mountains were a few thousand cubits high.</li>
 
<li>Those who posit that the water began to recede after the rain stopped have an even bigger problem, since according to them, initially the water receded only 15 cubits in over 180 days!<fn>There was 110 days until the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month and then another 73 days until the mountain tops were revealed on the first of the tenth month.&#160; See note above that R"Y Bekhor Shor assumes that for these 180 days there was a steady rate of reduction, 1 cubit every 12 days.&#160; The next 90 days (until the land dried on the first of the first month), though would have to see a reduction of at least 100 cubits per day, if a mountain's height of water still needed to be lowered!</fn>&#160;&#160; Shadal minimizes the problem by asserting that by the time the ark landed on 7/17, more than 15 cubits of water had already receded, since Mt. Ararat was not the tallest, but rather one of the shorter mountains.<fn>In other areas, the tops of the tallest mountains would have already been revealed.&#160; It was only the shorter mountain tops that were first revealed on 10/1. See Ramban in the note above who explains similarly.</fn>&#160; There would, nonetheless, still seem to be a significant increase in the rate of water reduction in the last 3 months, assuming that even the shorter mountains were a few thousand cubits high.</li>
 
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<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם... וַיְשַׁלַּח אֶת הָעֹרֵב"</b><ul>
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<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of doves</b><ul>
<li>Most of these commentators count the 40 days (when the raven was sent)&#160; from the preceding date mentioned, the first of the tenth month, when the mountain tops were visible.&#160; They explain, that despite the fact that land was already visible, the dove could not find a resting place either because it preferred the valleys or the air was too moist.<fn>According to this opinion, there is still about a month between the landing of the dove and the drying of the land and opening of the ark's cover on the first of the first month. Perhaps the dove's departure indicated the drying of treetops, but not the ground.</fn></li>
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<li><b>From the revealing of the mountain tops</b>&#160;– Most of these commentators count the 40 days from the preceding date mentioned in the verses, the first of the tenth month, when the mountain tops were visible.&#160; They explain, that despite the fact that land had already been visible for over&#160; a month, the dove could not find a resting place either because it preferred the valleys or the air was too moist.<fn>According to this opinion, there is still about a month between the landing of the dove and the drying of the land and opening of the ark's cover on the first of the first month.&#160; It is not clear why Noach waited a further month.&#160; Perhaps he understood that the the dove's departure indicated the drying of treetops, but not the ground.</fn></li>
<li>The Rid, in contrast, counts the forty days from the landing of the ark on the seventeenth of the seventh month. He assumes that the first dove was sent ten days after the raven, and the final dove twenty-one days later, on the first of the tenth month. It was only then, when the mountaintops were finally revealed that the dove could rest.</li>
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<li><b>From the landing of the ark</b> – The Rid, in contrast, counts the forty days from the landing of the ark on the seventeenth of the seventh month. He assumes that the first dove was sent ten days after the raven, and the final dove twenty-one days later, on the first of the tenth month. It was only then, when the mountaintops were finally revealed, that the dove could rest.</li>
 
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<p>The two mentions of 150 days are one unit of time, while the forty days of rain are a distinct unit.&#160; As such, there was a 190 day period before the waters began to decrease.</p>
 
<p>The two mentions of 150 days are one unit of time, while the forty days of rain are a distinct unit.&#160; As such, there was a 190 day period before the waters began to decrease.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SederOlamRabbah4" data-aht="source">Seder Olam Rabbah</a><a href="SederOlamRabbah4" data-aht="source">4</a><a href="Seder Olam Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Seder Olam Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah33-7" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah33-7" data-aht="source">33:7</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SeferHaArukhsvקל" data-aht="source">Sefer HaArukh</a><a href="SeferHaArukhsvקל" data-aht="source">s.v. קל</a><a href="R. Natan b. Yechiel (Sefer HaArukh)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Natan b. Yechiel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiBereshit7-12" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBereshit7-12" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:12</a><a href="RashiBereshit8-3-14" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-14</a><a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Ms. Leipzig 1 Bereshit 8:5-6</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-10-14" data-aht="source">Lekach Tov</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit7-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:24</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-3-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-6</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-10-14" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:10-14</a><a href="R. Toviah b. Eliezer (Lekach Tov)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Toviah b. Eliezer</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashbamfromMsOxford970" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamfromMsOxford970" data-aht="source">from Ms. Oxford 970</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ChizkuniBereshit8-3-13" data-aht="source">Chizkuni</a><a href="ChizkuniBereshit7-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:24</a><a href="ChizkuniBereshit8-3-13" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-13</a><a href="R. Chizkiyah b. Manoach (Chizkuni)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chizkiyah b. Manoach</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RChaimPaltielBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">R. Chaim Paltiel</a><a href="RChaimPaltielBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:6</a><a href="R. Chaim Paltiel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chaim Paltiel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8infootnote" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8infootnote" data-aht="source">MS JTS 793</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8" data-aht="source">Tosafot HaShalem Bereshit 8:4:8</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-5-5" data-aht="source">Tosafot HaShalem Bereshit 8:5:5)</a><a href="Ba'alei HaTosafot" data-aht="parshan">About Ba'alei HaTosafot</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Minchat Yehuda</a><a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:6</a><a href="R. Yehuda b. Elazar" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda b. Elazar</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBereshit8-3" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBereshit8-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, first approach of <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemBereshit26" data-aht="source">R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a><a href="MaaseiHashemBereshit26" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem Bereshit 26</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Ma'asei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Ma'asei Hashem)</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SederOlamRabbah4" data-aht="source">Seder Olam Rabbah</a><a href="SederOlamRabbah4" data-aht="source">4</a><a href="Seder Olam Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Seder Olam Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah33-7" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah33-7" data-aht="source">33:7</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SeferHaArukhsvקל" data-aht="source">Sefer HaArukh</a><a href="SeferHaArukhsvקל" data-aht="source">s.v. קל</a><a href="R. Natan b. Yechiel (Sefer HaArukh)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Natan b. Yechiel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiBereshit7-12" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBereshit7-12" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:12</a><a href="RashiBereshit8-3-14" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-14</a><a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Ms. Leipzig 1 Bereshit 8:5-6</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-10-14" data-aht="source">Lekach Tov</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit7-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:24</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-3-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-6</a><a href="LekachTovBereshit8-10-14" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:10-14</a><a href="R. Toviah b. Eliezer (Lekach Tov)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Toviah b. Eliezer</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashbamfromMsOxford970" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamfromMsOxford970" data-aht="source">from Ms. Oxford 970</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ChizkuniBereshit8-3-13" data-aht="source">Chizkuni</a><a href="ChizkuniBereshit7-24" data-aht="source">Bereshit 7:24</a><a href="ChizkuniBereshit8-3-13" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3-13</a><a href="R. Chizkiyah b. Manoach (Chizkuni)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chizkiyah b. Manoach</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RChaimPaltielBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">R. Chaim Paltiel</a><a href="RChaimPaltielBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:6</a><a href="R. Chaim Paltiel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chaim Paltiel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8infootnote" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8infootnote" data-aht="source">MS JTS 793</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8" data-aht="source">Tosafot HaShalem Bereshit 8:4:8</a><a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-5-5" data-aht="source">Tosafot HaShalem Bereshit 8:5:5)</a><a href="Ba'alei HaTosafot" data-aht="parshan">About Ba'alei HaTosafot</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Minchat Yehuda</a><a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:6</a><a href="R. Yehuda b. Elazar" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda b. Elazar</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBereshit8-3" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBereshit8-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 8:3</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, first approach of <multilink><a href="MaaseiHashemBereshit26" data-aht="source">R. Eliezer Ashkenazi</a><a href="MaaseiHashemBereshit26" data-aht="source">Ma'asei Hashem Bereshit 26</a><a href="R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Ma'asei Hashem)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer Ashkenazi (Ma'asei Hashem)</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Distinct 40 and 150 days</b> – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.&#160; The verses follow sequentially, with the forty days of rain preceding the 150 days.</point>
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<point><b>Distinct 40 and 150 days</b> – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.&#160; The verses follow sequentially, with the 150 days following the forty days of rain.</point>
<point><b>One Set of 150</b> – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days (and not after a new set).</point>
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<point><b>One Set of 150</b> – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days, and not after a new set.</point>
 
<point><b>"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם"</b> – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the&#160; 150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:<br/>
 
<point><b>"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם"</b> – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the&#160; 150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:<br/>
 
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<li><b>Waters retained strength</b> – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained its level throughout.<fn>The Arukh explains that the verse, "וַיָּשֻׁבוּ הַמַּיִם מֵעַל הָאָרֶץ הָלוֹךְ וָשׁוֹב" mans that after the rain stopped, the waters went back and forth, neither increasing nor decreasing during this period. Seder Olam Rabbah explains that during these 150 days the wicked were each being sentenced for their actions.</fn> According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.</li>
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<li><b>Waters retained strength</b> – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh, the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained their level throughout.<fn>The Arukh explains that the verse, "וַיָּשֻׁבוּ הַמַּיִם מֵעַל הָאָרֶץ הָלוֹךְ וָשׁוֹב" mans that after the rain stopped, the waters went back and forth, neither increasing nor decreasing during this period. Seder Olam Rabbah explains that during these 150 days the wicked were each being sentenced for their actions.</fn> According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.</li>
 
<li><b>Waters increased</b> – According to Ba'alei HaTosafot, in contrast, even after the rain stopped, the water continued to increase throughout the 150 days. He might maintain that the waters continued to emerge from underground.<fn>Cf. Seforno above.</fn></li>
 
<li><b>Waters increased</b> – According to Ba'alei HaTosafot, in contrast, even after the rain stopped, the water continued to increase throughout the 150 days. He might maintain that the waters continued to emerge from underground.<fn>Cf. Seforno above.</fn></li>
 
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<point><b>How do 190 days fit into 5 months?</b> The verses state that the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month.&#160;&#160; According to this position, though, at this point the waters were still at their height (and would be through the 29th of the eighth month)!<fn>The rain lasted from the 2/17 to 2/27. 150 days from there, in a regular year in which months alternate between 29 and 30 days, conclude on the 29th of the eighth month, more than a month after the ark landed. <br/>Seder Olam Rabbah writes, "עד מתי חמשים ומאת יום עד א' בסיון" leading many to assumes that he calculated the end of the 150 days to the first of the ninth month rather than the 29th of the eighth.&#160; It is possible, though, that he simply means that the 150 days ended before the first of the month (עד א' בסיו is not inclusive). <br/>Rashi apparently tries to solve the problem in two different ways in his commentary (leading to an internal contradiction in Rashi).&#160; In his comments to 7:12, he posits that the last day of the 150&#160; really was the first of the ninth month, because the first day of rain was not included.&#160; Elsewhere (on 8:3) though, he asserts that the first of the month is the day after the 150.<br/><br/></fn>&#160; This forces these commentators to reinterpret this date and to assume that it is dated to an event in the flood narrative rather than the beginning of the calendar year:<br/>
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<point><b>How do 190 days fit into 5 months?</b> The verses state that the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month.&#160;&#160; According to this position, though, at this point the waters were still at their height (and would be through the 29th of the eighth month)!<fn>The rain lasted through the 27th of the third month. 150 days from there, in a regular year in which months alternate between 29 and 30 days, would conclude on the 29th of the eighth month, more than a month after the ark landed. <br/>Seder Olam Rabbah writes, "עד מתי חמשים ומאת יום עד א' בסיון" leading many to assumes that he calculated the end of the 150 days to the first of the ninth month rather than the 29th of the eighth.&#160; It is possible, though, that he simply means that the 150 days ended before the first of the month (עד א' בסיו is not inclusive). <br/>Rashi apparently tries to solve the problem emerging form Seder Olam Rabbah in two different ways in his commentary (leading to an internal contradiction in Rashi).&#160; In his comments to 7:12, he posits that the last day of the 150 really was the first of the ninth month, because the first day of rain was not included.&#160; In his comments to 8:3, though, he asserts (as per the discussion above) that the first of the month is the day after the 150.</fn>&#160; This forces these commentators to reinterpret this date and to assume that it is dated to an event in the flood narrative rather than the beginning of the calendar year:<br/>
 
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<li>End of rain – Most of these commentators<fn>See Seder Olam Rabbah, Bereshit Rabbah,&#160; Rashi,&#160;Ba'alei HaTosafot and R. Ashkenazi.</fn> assert that 7/17 is being counted from the month in which the rain stopped.&#160; As such, it is really equivalent to 9/17,<fn>Since the rain stopped at the end of the third month, one would count seven months starting from the third month (Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, Adar, Nissan, Iyyar, Sivan).</fn> which gives ample time for the waters to decrease before the ark landed.<fn>See one of the Baalei HaTosafot who agrees that the month is counted from the end of the rain, but suggests that it was a leap year, so 7/17 is not the 17th of Sivan but of Iyyar.&#160; He dates 10/1 similarly, having it fall out on the first of Av.</fn></li>
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<li><b>End of rain</b> – Most of these commentators<fn>See Seder Olam Rabbah, Bereshit Rabbah, Rashi,&#160;Ba'alei HaTosafot and R. Ashkenazi.</fn> assert that the 17th of the seventh month is being counted from the month in which the rain stopped.&#160; As such, it is really equivalent to to the 17th of the ninth month,<fn>Since the rain stopped at the end of the third month, one would count seven months starting from the third month (Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, Adar, Nissan, Iyyar, Sivan).</fn> which gives ample time for the waters to decrease before the ark landed.<fn>See one of the Baalei HaTosafot who agrees that the month is counted from the end of the rain, but suggests that it was a leap year, so 7/17 is not the 17th of Sivan but of Iyyar. He dates 10/1 similarly, having it fall out on the first of Av.</fn></li>
<li>Beginning of Rain – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak (in a gloss found in Ms. Leipzig 1 of Rashi's commentary) get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that 7/17 means to count seven full months from the date the rain began (Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17).<fn>A rejected opinion in Baalei haTosafot also counts from the beginning of the rain, but uses the method above, counting seven months form the second month, thereby reaching a date of 8/17.&#160; As this is before the waters began to decrease, one must posit (as R. Saadia suggests) that the ark did not really land but rather somehow got stuck, despite the high water level.&#160; If so, though, it was still half submerged, making this improbable.&#160; In addition, it would likely have been dislodged f the waters were still moving back and forth.&#160; Finally, it is not clear why the Torah would share such information if the event did not mark a difference in the flood levels.&#160; <br/>This opinion would work just as well if one did not recalculate the months (as during both 7/17 and 8/17 the waters were still strong), and is only motivated by a desire to have both of the middle dates of the flood (7/17 and 101) be dated to the same point.&#160; See the point below regarding the date of 10/1.</fn></li>
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<li><b>Beginning of rain</b> – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and <a href="RYitzchakinGlossonMsLeipzig1" data-aht="source">R. Yitzchak</a><fn>See his gloss found in Ms. Leipzig 1 of Rashi's commentary.</fn> get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that one needs to count seven full months from the date the rain began. Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17.<fn>A rejected opinion in Baalei haTosafot also counts from the beginning of the rain, but uses the method above, counting seven months from the second month, thereby reaching a date of 8/17.&#160; As this is before the waters began to decrease, one must posit (as <a href="YefetbElitheKaraiteBereshit8-4" data-aht="source">R. Saadia</a> suggests) that the ark did not really land but rather somehow got stuck, despite the high water level.&#160; If so, though, it was still half submerged, making this improbable.&#160; In addition, it is not clear why the Torah would share such information if the event did not mark a difference in the flood levels.&#160; <br/>This opinion would work just as well if one did not recalculate the months (one could just as easily say that on 7/17 the ark got stuck, despite the high water levels), and is only motivated by a desire to have both of the middle dates of the flood (the resting of the ark and revealing of the mountain tops) be dated to the same point.&#160; See the point below regarding the date of 10/1.</fn></li>
 
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<point><b>"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים."</b> – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year. Instead,&#160;they almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.<fn>The one exception is R. Ashkenazi, who dates it to the end of the rain, getting to the first of the twelfth month.&#160; He does so</fn> This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of teh flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated 7/17, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.<fn>The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak who dated 7/17 also to the beginning o of the rain were, in fact, motivated to do so in order to be consistent with this dating.</fn> They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the dating regarding the sending of the doves - see below.</point>
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<point><b>"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים."</b> – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year and almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.<fn>One exception is R. Ashkenazi, who dates it to the end of the rain, getting to the first of the twelfth month.&#160; He is thus able to maintain consistency in the dating, having both the landing of the ark and revealing of the mountains, dated to the same event.<br/>The second exception is one of the&#160;<a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot </a> who also counts both events to the end of the rain, but suggests that it was a leap year Thus, 7/17 is not the 17th of Sivan but of Iyyar and 10/1 is not the first of Elul, but the first of Av.</fn> This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of the flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated 7/17, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.<fn>The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak who dated 7/17 also to the beginning of the rain were, in fact, only motivated to do so in order to be consistent with this dating.&#160; They lose much of their advantage, though, by using different methods of counting.&#160; While they reckon 7/17 to be 9/17 by adding seven full months to the date of the begininng of the flood (2/17+ 7 = 9/17), they reckon 10/1 to be 11/1 by counting ten partial months from the month in which the flood began (from month 2 to month 11, there are 10 months).</fn> They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the verses regarding the sending of the doves - see below.</point>
 
<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves</b> – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.&#160; These commentators offer three different possibilities:<br/>
 
<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves</b> – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.&#160; These commentators offer three different possibilities:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<ul>
<li><b>From when the waters began to abate</b>&#160;– According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam and one version of R. Tam<fn>This is the way Ba'alei HaTosafot recount his position.&#160; R. Paltiel brings a different version of his position according to which he maintains that the forty days began with the landing of the ark.</fn> the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.&#160; They suggest this so as to allows the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.<fn>This position must thus posits that the verses are achronological-- questions this approach, asking how the second dove could bring back a leaf from an olive tree, if it was sent before the mountain tops were revealed. -- suggests that the trees emerged from the water before the ground on the tops of the mountain. <br/>This position is also somewhat difficult as it suggests that the entire passage regarding the birds (8:6-11) is achronological, and it is not clear why this would be necessary.&#160; <br/>Finally, R. Paltiel further questions why, according to this approach, it took Noach two more months before he removed the cover of the ark.</fn>&#160; This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,<fn>The verses speak of a forty day period before sending the crow and then 21 days worth of sending doves.&#160; Thus, if the waters began to abate on the first of the ninth month, the last dove was sent sixty one days later, on the first of the eleventh month.</fn> leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This, then, also explains the inconsistency in the method of redating the events mentioned.&#160; <br/>Though, one might have thought that if these sources were already rereading the Torah's dating, they could do so consistently and date everything either to the beginning or to the end of the rain (and not one date to one and the other to the other), their understanding of the events precludes this.&#160; They could not date the resting of the ark from the beginning of the rain since the 190 days would not fit in the allotted time frame. Conversely, they could not date the revealing of the mountain tops from the end of the flood, for that would mean that the 61 days mentioned in the verse ended before the tops were revealed, making it impossible for the dove to land. <br/><br/></fn></li>
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<li><b>From when the waters began to abate</b>&#160;– According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam, and one version of R. Tam<fn>This is the way Ba'alei HaTosafot recount his position.&#160; R. Paltiel, though, brings a different version of R. Tam, according to which he maintains that the forty days began with the landing of the ark. See below.</fn> the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.&#160; They suggest this so as to allow the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.<fn>One might question this approach on several grounds:<br/>1) One of the Ba'alei HaTosafot asks how the second dove could bring back a leaf from an olive tree, if it was sent before the mountain tops were revealed. He answers simply that the trees, being on the mountain tops, must have appeared before the tops of the mountain themselves, but he questions why this fact is not mentioned as a marker of the decreasing flood waters. {see Daat Zekenim as well.]<br/>2) This position is also somewhat difficult as it suggests that the entire passage regarding the birds (8:6-11) is achronological.&#160; It is not clear why this would be necessary, as the verses could have easily been written in thier proper place.&#160; <br/>3) Finally, R. Paltiel further questions why, according to this approach, it took Noach two more months before he removed the cover of the ark.</fn>&#160; This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,<fn>The verses speak of a forty day period before sending the crow and then 21 days worth of sending doves.&#160; Thus, if the waters began to abate on the first of the ninth month, the last dove was sent sixty days later, on the first of the eleventh month.&#160; [This assumes that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, and that the end dates, 9/1 and 11/1 are included n the count.]</fn> leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This, then, also explains the inconsistency in the method of redating the events mentioned.&#160; <br/>Though, one might have thought that if these sources were already rereading the Torah's dating, they could do so consistently and date everything either to the beginning or to the end of the rain (and not one date to one and the other to the other), their understanding of the events precludes this.&#160; They could not date the resting of the ark from the beginning of the rain since the 190 days would not fit in the allotted time frame. Conversely, they could not date the revealing of the mountain tops from the end of the flood, for that would mean that the 61 days mentioned in the verse ended before the tops were revealed, making it impossible for the dove to land. <br/><br/></fn></li>
<li><b>From the revealing of the mountain tops</b> –The Arukh and Rashi,<fn>The explanation given here follows the printed version of Rashi's commentary.&#160; In the <a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Leipzig manuscript of Rashi</a>, though, this explanation is written and then crossed out, replaced in the margins of the manuscript with an explanation that matches that of Seder Olam Rabbah. The scribe writes that this is how he found the text in the manuscript of R. Shemayah, the student/scribe of Rashi. It is unclear, though, if R. Shemayah made the change by himself or under Rashi's instructions.<br/>See also Daat Zekeinim which brings this explanation of Rashi, questions it, and then writes "לכך פירש"י" and brings the version which is similar to Seder Olam Rabbah.&#160; For a fuller discussion of the issue, and an image of the manuscript, see <a href="Commentators:Rashi_Leipzig_1/Bereshit_8" data-aht="page">here</a>.</fn>&#160;in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.<fn>As opposed to Seder Olam Rabbah, they can thus preserve the chronology of the chapter.</fn> They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month, as only this would explain why it did not return.<fn>R. Tam questions this assumption, pointing out that it is not clear why the first dove could not find a resting place, if the tops of the mountains had appeared over forty days before dove was sent. [This is what motivates his alternative suggestion above.]&#160; R. Elyakim suggests that doves prefer valleys, and would not nest on the mountains tops, while one of the Ba'alei HaTosafot posits that the phrase "וְלֹא מָצְאָה הַיּוֹנָה מָנוֹחַ" means that the dove did not find any food.</fn> Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,<fn>As the verses necessitate 61 days between the two events (40 days of waiting and 21 days of sending of doves), working backwards from the first of the first moth brings one to the first of the eleventh month.</fn> and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This necessitates the above mentioned inconsistency in the method of dating. Rashi could not date the revealing of the mountain tops to the end of the rain (as he had regarding the resting of the ark), for that would date it to the first of the twelfth month,&#160; and only leave a month until the drying of the land, instead of the 61 days needed according to the verses.</fn></li>
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<li><b>From the revealing of the mountain tops</b> – The Arukh and Rashi,<fn>The explanation given here follows the printed version of Rashi's commentary.&#160; In the <a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Leipzig manuscript of Rashi</a>, though, this explanation is written and then crossed out, replaced in the margins of the manuscript with an explanation that matches that of Seder Olam Rabbah. The scribe writes that this is how he found the text in the manuscript of R. Shemayah, the student/scribe of Rashi. It is unclear, though, if R. Shemayah made the change by himself or under Rashi's instructions.&#160; See also Daat Zekeinim which brings this explanation of Rashi, questions it, and then writes "לכך פירש"י" and brings the version which is similar to Seder Olam Rabbah.&#160; For a fuller discussion of the issue, and an image of the manuscript, see <a href="Commentators:Rashi_Leipzig_1/Bereshit_8" data-aht="page">here</a>.</fn>&#160;in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.<fn>As opposed to Seder Olam Rabbah, they can thus preserve the chronology of the chapter.</fn> They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month,<fn>Thus, 8:12 and 8:13 overlap in time, and Noach's opening of the cover of the ark is a direct response to the dove's not returning.</fn> as only this would explain why it did not return.<fn>R. Tam questions this assumption, pointing out that it is not clear why the first dove could not find a resting place, if the tops of the mountains had appeared over forty days before dove was sent. [This is what motivates his alternative suggestion above.]&#160; Chizkuni and&#160;<a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">R. Elyakim</a> suggest that doves prefer valleys, and would not nest on the mountains tops, while one of the Ba'alei HaTosafot posits that the phrase "וְלֹא מָצְאָה הַיּוֹנָה מָנוֹחַ" means that the dove did not find any food.</fn> Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,<fn>R. Tam questions this calculation, pointing out that, from the appearance of the mountains on the first of the 11th month until the end of that month is only 29 days, and that the twelfth month, being a "missing" month, is also only 29 days. Thus, 61 days from the appearance of the mountains would bring one to the third of the first month, not the first.&#160;<br/> Rashi, though, was likely assuming that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, adding up to a 60 (not 61) day period.&#160; Thus, if one includes both the first and last day (11/1 and 1/1) in the count, there are exactly 60 days from the revealing of the mountains to the drying of the land. See Rashi's language, "הרי ששים יום משנראו ראשי ההרים עד שחרבו פני האדמה".</fn> and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This necessitates the above mentioned inconsistency in the method of dating. Rashi could not date the revealing of the mountain tops to the end of the rain (as he had regarding the resting of the ark), for that would date it to the first of the twelfth month,&#160; and only leave a month until the drying of the land, instead of the 61 days needed according to the verses.</fn></li>
<li><b>From the resting of the ark</b>&#160;– R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel, and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.<fn>See discussion above.</fn>&#160; They reject Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of, such as the landing of the ark.&#160;</li>
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<li><b>From the resting of the ark</b>&#160;– R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel,<fn>The Ba'alei Ha Tosafot bring a different version of his position, which fits with Seder Olam Rabbah above.</fn> and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.<fn>See discussion above.</fn>&#160; R. Tam rejects Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of,<fn>One need not posit, though, that Noach reckoned the forty days himself.&#160; It is possible that the Torah is simply providing the time frame of the events for the reader.</fn> such as the landing.<fn>He might be further motivated by a desire to explain the stages in the dove's travels. He, too, asserts that the mountain tops appeared on 11/1, but according to him, this is a few days before the first dove was sent (not when the final dove leaves). He can thus suggest that when the first dove was sent, though land was visible, it was still too wet to rest.&#160; The second dove, though, could already find a leaf, and by the third week, it was dry enough to land. He, thus, has no problem with the fact that the dove found a leaf before the mountian tops were visible.<br/>R. Ashkenazi's motivations are different.&#160; Desiring to count both the date of the ark's landing and the appearance of the mountains to the same event, he assumes that both are counted from the end of the rain.&#160; As such, he posits that the mountains appeared on the first of the 12th month.&#160; This means that he can't count the forty days from the mountain's appearance (as it would place the sending of the doves a couple of weeks after the drying of the land), leading him instead to the previously mentioned date, the landing of the ark.&#160; His, position, though, becomes extremely difficult, since according to his calculations, even the last dove is sent more than a week before the land appears, making it unclear how it found a place to rest.&#160; The position would only work, if he posits, lke the Rid above, that there was an extended waiting period between the sending of the crow and the sending of the doves.</fn>&#160; </li>
<li>According to R. Tam the tenth month is really the eleventh month and he has to explain why the dove did not land when the mountains first appeared. R. Eliezer Ashkenazi holds that the tenth month is counted from the end of the rain like the seventh month. This would cause the dove to land before the mountains appeared. It is possible to explain like the Rid above that there was more time for the sending of the raven.</li>
 
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<point><b>The seventh and tenth months</b> – According to these commentators the seventh and tenth months are not being counted from the beginning of the year. Three opinions are brought by the exegetes regarding these months:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<li>Most of these commentators explain that the seventeenth of the seventh month is really the seventeenth of the ninth month to the beginning of the year and then the 150 and 40 days fit before the ark landed.&#160; They hold that the tenth month is the eleventh month to the beginning of the year.<fn>See the point about "וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" regarding the reasoning for this explanation.</fn> This approach subdivides regarding how one gets to this calculation:</li>
 
<ul>
 
<li>Seder Olam Rabbah, Bereshit Rabbah, Lekach Tov, and Rashi hold that the seventh month is being counted from the time in which the rain stopped while the tenth month is being counted from the time in which the rain started. This inconsistency causes other exegetes to raise alternatives.</li>
 
<li>The Arukh and R. Yitzchak in a gloss on Ms. Leipzig 1 of Rashi explain that there are seven full months from the start of the rain until the ark landed and the tenth month is also counted from the start of the rain.<fn>They explain the language "בַּחֹדֶשׁ הַשְּׁבִיעִי בְּשִׁבְעָה עָשָׂר יוֹם לַחֹדֶשׁ" to mean that the ark landed seven months after the start of the rain on the seventeenth of the month.</fn></li>
 
<li>According to one of the Ba'alei HaTosafot the year of the flood was a leap year and both months were counted from the end of the rain.&#160; This leaves enough time for the 150 and first 40 days to end before the ark landed but leaves two months before the end of the year from when the tops of the mountains appeared.<fn>See later the approaches about "וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם".</fn></li>
 
</ul>
 
<li>Ba'alei HaTosafot quote an approach that the seventh month is really only the eighth month to the start of the year. This approach would say that the tenth month is really the eleventh month and both months are being counted from the start of the rain. Ba'alei HaTosafot reject this explanation since the ark would have rested before the water started decreasing. However, according to the approach it is possible that the ark got stuck and landed as&#160;<a href="YefetbElitheKaraiteBereshit8-4" data-aht="source">Rasag quoted in Yefet</a> suggests. This would be simpler to say if during the 150 days the water wasn't increasing anymore but just stayed in their place or were already decreasing.</li>
 
<li>According to R. Eliezer Ashkenazi's approach both months are being counted from the end of the rain and the seventh month is the ninth month and the tenth month is the twelfth month.</li>
 
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<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם"</b> – Three options are brought explaining from when the forty days are counted which affect when the tops of the mountains appeared:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<li>According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam and perhaps R. Tam the days are counted from the time the water started to abate on the first of Sivan. According to this approach the dove was sent for the last time on the day that the tops of the mountains appeared and that is were it landed. This interpretation forces the commentators to explain that the tenth month is really the tenth month from the start of the rain and not like the seventh month which is from the end of the rain in order that the dove could land after the mountains appear. The takers of this approach have to assume that before the tops of the mountains appeared there were trees that appeared and the dove could bring back an olive tree leaf.</li>
 
<li>The Arukh, Rashi and Lekach Tov hold that the forty days are counted from the first of the tenth month which is mentioned immediately before in the verses.<fn>In the Leipzig manuscript of Rashi this explanation of the forty and 21 days and the tenth month is crossed out and instead on the margins an explanation matching Seder Olam Rabbah is given. The scribe writes that this is how the text was in the manuscript of R. Shemayah the student of Rashi. It is unclear if R. Shemayah changed this under Rashi's direction or not. After giving Rashi's approach and the questions on it Daat Zekeinim writes "לכך פירש"י" and brings this other version.&#160; However, later on he brings Rashi explaining like the first version.&#160; Perhaps, this is a scribal error and it is supposed to read "לכך פיר"ש" referring to R. Shemayah.</fn> According to them the dove landed on the first of the first month when "חָרְבוּ פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה" and therefore the tenth month can be no later since the dove would have landed as soon as the water disappeared. R. Tam questions this approach why the dove could not land on the tops of the mountains which appeared already when the dove was sent. R. Elyakim suggests that the dove could only land in valleys and not on mountains. Another answer suggested by Ba'alei HaTosafot is that when it says "וְלֹא מָצְאָה הַיּוֹנָה מָנוֹחַ" it means that the dove did not find any food.</li>
 
<li>R. Tam according to R. Chayim Paltiel's version and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi hold that the forty days started when the ark landed which was a date that Noach knew when it was as oppose to the day in which the water started decreasing.&#160; According to R. Tam the tenth month is really the eleventh month and he has to explain why the dove did not land when the mountains first appeared. R. Eliezer Ashkenazi holds that the tenth month is counted from the end of the rain like the seventh month. This would cause the dove to land before the mountains appeared. It is possible to explain like the Rid above that there was more time for the sending of the raven.</li>
 
 
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</ul></point>
 
<point><b>Shifting water levels</b> – Seder Olam Rabbah calculates that if from the first of the ninth month when the water started abating until the first of the eleventh month when the mountains appeared the water decreased 15 ammot then the water went down an ammah every four days.&#160; Therefore, on the 17th of the ninth month when the ark landed it was covered with 11 ammot of water.</point>
 
<point><b>Shifting water levels</b> – Seder Olam Rabbah calculates that if from the first of the ninth month when the water started abating until the first of the eleventh month when the mountains appeared the water decreased 15 ammot then the water went down an ammah every four days.&#160; Therefore, on the 17th of the ninth month when the ark landed it was covered with 11 ammot of water.</point>

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Chronology of the Flood

Exegetical Approaches

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150 Days Which Includes the First 40 Days

The two mentions of 150 days refer to the same time period and encompass the forty days of rain. The ark landed at the conclusion of these 150 days.  This approach subdivides regarding how the commentators understand the chapter's dating:

Months from creation

All the months mentioned in the verses are calculated according to the yearly calendar, from creation.

Months – These commentators assume that all the months mentioned in the account of the flood are numbered from the beginning of the calendar year.  They disagree, though, regarding whether the first month is Tishrei or Nissan.2
150 and 40 Overlap – This position assumes that the forty days of rain are subsumed in the 150 day period, reading the final verse of Chapter 7 "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם", as a summary statement of the previously described events rather than a successive event.3
One set of 150 – They similarly assume that the statement "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" does not mean that the water receded after a second set of 150 days, but rather that it decreased after, or the reduction was first noticeable at the end of, the 150 days previously mentioned.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – Though all these sources agree that there was but one set of 150 days, they disagree in how they understand the relationship between the periods of increasing and receding waters:4
  • Water first decreased after 150 days ­ - The author of the Qumran Scroll, Yefet the Karaite, Ibn Ezra,5 Ramban, and Seforno all understand the phrase "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" to mean that the water only began to decrease at the end of the 150 days. Until that point the water level was either still rising, or at least, maintaining its height. Seforno suggests that even though the rain stopped after 40 days, the underground sources of water were still open,6 causing continued water pressure during this entire period.7 Ramban, in contrast, seems to maintain that though the waters did not continue to increase after the fortieth day, due to the great humidity8 they retained their height throughout this period.
  • Water decreased after the forty days of rain – Most of the other commentators in this approach9 assume that the water started to recede right after the rain stopped. The phrase " וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" simply means that the waters were is a state of strength (relative to normal water heights), not that they were increasing, or even maintaining their level.  R"Y Bekhor Shor, R. Hoffmann and U. Cassuto explain the verse "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם"   to mean not that the water first began to recede at this point but that the decrease was first noticeable to Noach after this period, when the ark landed.10
Chronology
  • Chronological –Those who maintain that the waters maintained their strength throughout the 150 days, read the verses chronologically, with Chapter 7 describing the rising  flood and Chapter 8 detailing the decreasing waters at the end of the 150 days.11
  • Achronological – The other commentators, though, assume that verses 8:2-4 (the sending of the wind and closing of the heavenly windows) occurred in the midst of the 150 days that are mentioned in the preceding chapter and that there is an element of achronology in the verses.  Akeidat Yitzchak and Shadal explain that the Torah purposely separated the images of destruction and salvation, detailing the world's collapse in Chapter 7 before describing its rebuilding in Chapter 8.
How do 150 days fit in five months? According to the fixed lunar calendar, months generally alternate between having 29 and 30 days,12 which means that there can be at most 147-149 days in any 5 month period.13  As such, this position must explain how the 150 days fit into the five months between 2/17 when the rain began and 7/17 when the ark rested.   The commentators resolve this issue in different ways:
  • Different calendar – Several sources reject the assumption that the dates in the story are based on the Hebrew lunar calendar:
    • Solar Calendar –  Some commentators14 assert that the months mentioned relate to the solar calendar. According to this reckoning there are 152 days in five months and the 150 day period ended a couple of days before the ark rested.15
    • Persian/Egyptian – Ibn Ezra suggests, in contrast, that Noach was using a calendar like that of the Egyptians or Persians who would intercalate their year by adding 5 days to a certain month. The total days in the five month period can thus equal or surpass 150.16
  • Lunar calendar based on eyewitnesses – Yefet and Anan the Karaites maintain that Noach did use a lunar calendar, but one in which the months were determined by eyewitnesses rather than calculations.17 They assume that if no one can see the moon (as was the case when Noach was in the Ark)18 the default length of a month is thirty days.19  This allows for exactly 150 days between 2/17 and 7/17.20
  • Fixed Hebrew Lunar Calendar – A last group of sources attempt to uphold the idea that the Torah is employing the Rabbinic calendar:
    • Round Numbers - The Rid and U. Cassuto solve the problem by simply suggesting that 150 days is a round number. Though, in reality there were fewer days in the five month period, the Torah rounded up to the the next ten.21
    • Full Leap Year - R. Saadia suggests that one can reach 150 days using a regular fixed lunar calendar if the year was a "full" leap year. In such a year, 4 of the 5 months( Marcheshvan, Kislev, Shevat and Adar I) would all have 30 days. As such 7/17 is the 150th day.22
How did the ark land so soon? These commentators differ in how they understand how the ark managed to land right after the 150 days of strong waters, if the mountain tops were still covered  by fifteen cubits of water:23
  • Receded over 110 days – According to those who say that the water started to decrease already after the 40 days of rain, this is not an issue,24 and is, in fact, one of the factors that motivate them to explain the verses as they do. Shadal even maintains that by this point the higher mountain tops were totally uncovered, and that Bereshit 8:5 describes only the revealing of the shorter mountains.
  • Receded over 2 days – According to those who maintain that the waters retained their strength throughout, but that a solar calendar was used and thus the 150 period ended by the 15th of the seventh month, there was a period of two days in which the water lessened, allowing the ark to land.
  • Miraculous intervention – Ramban, in contrast, is forced to assert that Hashem sent a miraculous wind which decreased the waters substantially on the 150th day itself.25 
Shifting water levels – A simple reading of the verses suggests that the waters decreased at an extremely varied pace:
  • If one posits that the water first decreased after the 150 days, then it went down only 15 cubits in the 2 1/2 months from 7/17 until 10/1 compared to thousands of cubits in the 3 months from then until the land dried on 1/1.26  Ramban explains that there is no reason to think that the water needed to decrease at a steady pace. In addition, according to him, Hashem's intervention on the first day led to a vast decrease in the water, 27 minimizing the difference in the rate of reduction thereafter slightly.28
  • Those who posit that the water began to recede after the rain stopped have an even bigger problem, since according to them, initially the water receded only 15 cubits in over 180 days!29   Shadal minimizes the problem by asserting that by the time the ark landed on 7/17, more than 15 cubits of water had already receded, since Mt. Ararat was not the tallest, but rather one of the shorter mountains.30  There would, nonetheless, still seem to be a significant increase in the rate of water reduction in the last 3 months, assuming that even the shorter mountains were a few thousand cubits high.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of doves
  • From the revealing of the mountain tops – Most of these commentators count the 40 days from the preceding date mentioned in the verses, the first of the tenth month, when the mountain tops were visible.  They explain, that despite the fact that land had already been visible for over  a month, the dove could not find a resting place either because it preferred the valleys or the air was too moist.31
  • From the landing of the ark – The Rid, in contrast, counts the forty days from the landing of the ark on the seventeenth of the seventh month. He assumes that the first dove was sent ten days after the raven, and the final dove twenty-one days later, on the first of the tenth month. It was only then, when the mountaintops were finally revealed, that the dove could rest.

Varied Dating

Some months are counted to creation and some are dated in reference to key points during the flood.

Months – According to Ramban and R. Ashkenazi, the beginning and end of the flood (2/17 and 2/27) are dated to the beginning of the calendar year, but the months mentioned in the middle of the story, the landing of the ark on 2/17 and the revealing of the mountain tops on 10/1, are both dated to the start of the flood.33 The last date, though, when Noach opens the ark's cover on 1/1, is once again dated to the beginning of the year.  This approach is motivated by a desire to make sense of the various time-frames in the chapter34 but its obvious disadvantage is its inconsistency.35
40 and 150 overlap – Like the above approach, these commentators also view the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם", as a summary statement of the previously described events, and assume that the 40 days are included therein.
One set of 150 – Both Ramban and R. Ashkenazi maintain that the verse "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" does not refer to a new period of 150 days, but to the end of the previously mentioned one.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – These commentators assert that the waters maintained their strength throughout the 150 days, and only began to abate afterwards.36
Chronology – This position does not need to assume any achronology in the verses describing the increasing and decreasing waters.
How do 150 days fit in five months? According to this approach there are really six months from the start of the flood until the resting of the ark.37  This easily fits the period of 150 days of increasing waters, even leaving a month over afterwards.
How did the ark land so soon? According to this position, there was a month between the 150 days and the resting of the ark, enough time for the water to recede sufficiently to allow the ark to find a  resting place.
Shifting water levels – As this position reduces the time between the revealing of the mountain tops and the drying of the land to two months,38 it exacerbates the problem of the changing rate of reduction.  It has the waters reducing 15 cubits in about 2.5 months, while they are lowered thousands of cubits in 2 months!
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם... וַיְשַׁלַּח אֶת הָעֹרֵב" – This is dated from the previously mentioned event, the revealing of the mountain tops, which this position maintains occurred on the first of the eleventh month (the tenth month being counted from start of the flood).  As such, the sending of the final dove 61 days later,39 fell on the first of the first month, when the land dried.40 This explains why it was only now, that it did not return.

150 Days Which Do Not Include the First 40 Days

The two mentions of 150 days are one unit of time, while the forty days of rain are a distinct unit.  As such, there was a 190 day period before the waters began to decrease.

Distinct 40 and 150 days – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.  The verses follow sequentially, with the 150 days following the forty days of rain.
One Set of 150 – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days, and not after a new set.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the  150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:
  • Waters retained strength – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh, the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained their level throughout.41 According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.
  • Waters increased – According to Ba'alei HaTosafot, in contrast, even after the rain stopped, the water continued to increase throughout the 150 days. He might maintain that the waters continued to emerge from underground.42
How do 190 days fit into 5 months? The verses state that the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month.   According to this position, though, at this point the waters were still at their height (and would be through the 29th of the eighth month)!43  This forces these commentators to reinterpret this date and to assume that it is dated to an event in the flood narrative rather than the beginning of the calendar year:
  • End of rain – Most of these commentators44 assert that the 17th of the seventh month is being counted from the month in which the rain stopped.  As such, it is really equivalent to to the 17th of the ninth month,45 which gives ample time for the waters to decrease before the ark landed.46
  • Beginning of rain – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak47 get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that one needs to count seven full months from the date the rain began. Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17.48
"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים." – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year and almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.49 This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of the flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated 7/17, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.50 They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the verses regarding the sending of the doves - see below.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.  These commentators offer three different possibilities:
  • From when the waters began to abate – According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam, and one version of R. Tam51 the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.  They suggest this so as to allow the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.52  This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,53 leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).54
  • From the revealing of the mountain tops – The Arukh and Rashi,55 in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.56 They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month,57 as only this would explain why it did not return.58 Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,59 and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).60
  • From the resting of the ark – R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel,61 and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.62  R. Tam rejects Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of,63 such as the landing.64 
Shifting water levels – Seder Olam Rabbah calculates that if from the first of the ninth month when the water started abating until the first of the eleventh month when the mountains appeared the water decreased 15 ammot then the water went down an ammah every four days.  Therefore, on the 17th of the ninth month when the ark landed it was covered with 11 ammot of water.

Two sets of 150 Days Which Include the Second 40 Days

Relationship between numbers of days – Radak writes that for forty days there was rain and then there were two sets of 150 days one in which the water was increasing and one in which the water was decreasing. The second 150 days includes the second forty days but does not include the 21 days of sending the birds.  These numbers come out to 361 days that Noach was in the ark.
The seventh and tenth months – According to Radak the water stopped increasing on the first of the ninth month with the conclusion of the first 40 and 150 days. The seventh month in which the ark landed is being counted from the end of the rain and really is the ninth month to the beginning of the year. The ark landed on the seventeenth of the ninth month after the water started decreasing.  Radak also writes that the tenth month is the tenth month to the beginning of the flood and the tops of the mountains appeared on the first of the eleventh month.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" – Radak writes that the second forty days started when the ark landed and not when the water started decreasing as Noach only knew when the ark landed because he felt it.  According to this explanation the 21 days were during the second 150 days in which the water was decreasing and not like his previous explanation that they were at the end of the flood after the second set of 150 days ended. This approach has to explain why the dove did not land already on the first time it was sent which was after the tops of the mountains appeared.  Ba'alei HaTosafot explain this based on Radak's explanation that Noach sent the dove which only rests once it finishes the mission it was given and therefore it only landed after it gave Noach a sign that the water was lowering by giving him an olive leaf.