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<point><b>Distinct 40 and 150 days</b> – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.&#160; The verses follow sequentially, with the 150 days following the forty days of rain.</point>
 
<point><b>Distinct 40 and 150 days</b> – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.&#160; The verses follow sequentially, with the 150 days following the forty days of rain.</point>
 
<point><b>One Set of 150</b> – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days, and not after a new set.</point>
 
<point><b>One Set of 150</b> – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days, and not after a new set.</point>
<point><b>"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם"</b> – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the&#160; 150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:<br/>
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<point><b>"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם"</b> – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the 150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:<br/>
 
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<li><b>Waters retained strength</b> – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh, the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained their level throughout.<fn>The Arukh explains that the verse, "וַיָּשֻׁבוּ הַמַּיִם מֵעַל הָאָרֶץ הָלוֹךְ וָשׁוֹב" mans that after the rain stopped, the waters went back and forth, neither increasing nor decreasing during this period. Seder Olam Rabbah explains that during these 150 days the wicked were each being sentenced for their actions.</fn> According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.</li>
 
<li><b>Waters retained strength</b> – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh, the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained their level throughout.<fn>The Arukh explains that the verse, "וַיָּשֻׁבוּ הַמַּיִם מֵעַל הָאָרֶץ הָלוֹךְ וָשׁוֹב" mans that after the rain stopped, the waters went back and forth, neither increasing nor decreasing during this period. Seder Olam Rabbah explains that during these 150 days the wicked were each being sentenced for their actions.</fn> According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.</li>
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<li><b>Beginning of rain</b> – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and <a href="RYitzchakinGlossonMsLeipzig1" data-aht="source">R. Yitzchak</a><fn>See his gloss found in Ms. Leipzig 1 of Rashi's commentary.</fn> get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that one needs to count seven full months from the date the rain began. Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17.<fn>A rejected opinion in Baalei haTosafot also counts from the beginning of the rain, but uses the method above, counting seven months from the second month, thereby reaching a date of 8/17.&#160; As this is before the waters began to decrease, one must posit (as <a href="YefetbElitheKaraiteBereshit8-4" data-aht="source">R. Saadia</a> suggests) that the ark did not really land but rather somehow got stuck, despite the high water level.&#160; If so, though, it was still half submerged, making this improbable.&#160; In addition, it is not clear why the Torah would share such information if the event did not mark a difference in the flood levels.&#160; <br/>This opinion would work just as well if one did not recalculate the months (one could just as easily say that on 7/17 the ark got stuck, despite the high water levels), and is only motivated by a desire to have both of the middle dates of the flood (the resting of the ark and revealing of the mountain tops) be dated to the same point.&#160; See the point below regarding the date of 10/1.</fn></li>
 
<li><b>Beginning of rain</b> – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and <a href="RYitzchakinGlossonMsLeipzig1" data-aht="source">R. Yitzchak</a><fn>See his gloss found in Ms. Leipzig 1 of Rashi's commentary.</fn> get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that one needs to count seven full months from the date the rain began. Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17.<fn>A rejected opinion in Baalei haTosafot also counts from the beginning of the rain, but uses the method above, counting seven months from the second month, thereby reaching a date of 8/17.&#160; As this is before the waters began to decrease, one must posit (as <a href="YefetbElitheKaraiteBereshit8-4" data-aht="source">R. Saadia</a> suggests) that the ark did not really land but rather somehow got stuck, despite the high water level.&#160; If so, though, it was still half submerged, making this improbable.&#160; In addition, it is not clear why the Torah would share such information if the event did not mark a difference in the flood levels.&#160; <br/>This opinion would work just as well if one did not recalculate the months (one could just as easily say that on 7/17 the ark got stuck, despite the high water levels), and is only motivated by a desire to have both of the middle dates of the flood (the resting of the ark and revealing of the mountain tops) be dated to the same point.&#160; See the point below regarding the date of 10/1.</fn></li>
 
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<point><b>"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים."</b> – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year and almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.<fn>One exception is R. Ashkenazi, who dates it to the end of the rain, getting to the first of the twelfth month.&#160; He is thus able to maintain consistency in the dating, having both the landing of the ark and revealing of the mountains, dated to the same event.<br/>The second exception is one of the&#160;<a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot </a> who also counts both events to the end of the rain, but suggests that it was a leap year Thus, 7/17 is not the 17th of Sivan but of Iyyar and 10/1 is not the first of Elul, but the first of Av.</fn> This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of the flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated the landing of the ark, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.<fn>The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak who dated 7/17 also to the beginning of the rain were, in fact, only motivated to do so in order to be consistent with this dating.&#160; They lose much of their advantage, though, by using different methods of counting.&#160; While they reckon 7/17 to be 9/17 by adding seven full months to the date of the begininng of the flood (2/17+ 7 = 9/17), they reckon 10/1 to be 11/1 by counting ten partial months from the month in which the flood began (from month 2 to month 11, there are 10 months).</fn> They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the verses regarding the sending of the doves - see point below.</point>
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<point><b>"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים."</b> – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year and almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.<fn>One exception is R. Ashkenazi, who dates it to the end of the rain, getting to the first of the twelfth month.&#160; He is thus able to maintain consistency in the dating, having both the landing of the ark and revealing of the mountains, dated to the same event.<br/>The second exception is one of the&#160;<a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-4-8" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot </a> who also counts both events to the end of the rain, but suggests that it was a leap year. Thus, 7/17 is not the 17th of Sivan but of Iyyar and 10/1 is not the first of Elul, but the first of Av.</fn> This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of the flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated the landing of the ark, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.<fn>The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak who dated 7/17 also to the beginning of the rain were, in fact, only motivated to do so in order to be consistent with this dating.&#160; They lose much of their advantage, though, by using different methods of counting.&#160; While they reckon 7/17 to be 9/17 by adding seven full months to the date of the begininng of the flood (2/17+ 7 = 9/17), they reckon 10/1 to be 11/1 by counting ten partial months from the month in which the flood began (from month 2 to month 11, there are 10 months).</fn> They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the verses regarding the sending of the doves - see point below.</point>
 
<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves</b> – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.&#160; These commentators offer three different possibilities:<br/>
 
<point><b>"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves</b> – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.&#160; These commentators offer three different possibilities:<br/>
 
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<li><b>From when the waters began to abate</b>&#160;– According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam, and one version of R. Tam<fn>This is the way Ba'alei HaTosafot recount his position.&#160; R. Paltiel, though, brings a different version of R. Tam, according to which he maintains that the forty days began with the landing of the ark. See below.</fn> the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.&#160; They suggest this so as to allow the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.<fn>One might question this approach on several grounds:<br/>1) One of the Ba'alei HaTosafot asks how the second dove could bring back a leaf from an olive tree, if it was sent before the mountain tops were revealed. He answers simply that the trees, being on the mountain tops, must have appeared before the tops of the mountain themselves, but he questions why this fact is not mentioned as a marker of the decreasing flood waters. [see Daat Zekenim as well.]<br/>2) This position is also somewhat difficult as it suggests that the entire passage regarding the birds (8:6-11) is achronological.&#160; It is not clear why this would be necessary, as the verses could have easily been written in their proper place.&#160; <br/>3) Finally, R. Paltiel further questions why, according to this approach, it took Noach two more months before he removed the cover of the ark.</fn>&#160; This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,<fn>The verses speak of a forty day period before sending the crow and then 21 days worth of sending doves.&#160; Thus, if the waters began to abate on the first of the ninth month, the last dove was sent sixty days later, on the first of the eleventh month.&#160; [This assumes that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, and that the end dates, 9/1 and 11/1 are included in the count.]</fn> leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This, then, also explains the inconsistency in the dating of the landing and appearance of mountains (one to the end of the rain and the other to the start).&#160; These sources could not date the resting of the ark from the beginning of the rain since the 190 days would not fit in the allotted time frame. Conversely, they could not date the revealing of the mountain tops from the end of the flood, for that would mean that the 61 days mentioned in the verse ended before the tops were revealed, making it impossible for the dove to land.</fn></li>
 
<li><b>From when the waters began to abate</b>&#160;– According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam, and one version of R. Tam<fn>This is the way Ba'alei HaTosafot recount his position.&#160; R. Paltiel, though, brings a different version of R. Tam, according to which he maintains that the forty days began with the landing of the ark. See below.</fn> the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.&#160; They suggest this so as to allow the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.<fn>One might question this approach on several grounds:<br/>1) One of the Ba'alei HaTosafot asks how the second dove could bring back a leaf from an olive tree, if it was sent before the mountain tops were revealed. He answers simply that the trees, being on the mountain tops, must have appeared before the tops of the mountain themselves, but he questions why this fact is not mentioned as a marker of the decreasing flood waters. [see Daat Zekenim as well.]<br/>2) This position is also somewhat difficult as it suggests that the entire passage regarding the birds (8:6-11) is achronological.&#160; It is not clear why this would be necessary, as the verses could have easily been written in their proper place.&#160; <br/>3) Finally, R. Paltiel further questions why, according to this approach, it took Noach two more months before he removed the cover of the ark.</fn>&#160; This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,<fn>The verses speak of a forty day period before sending the crow and then 21 days worth of sending doves.&#160; Thus, if the waters began to abate on the first of the ninth month, the last dove was sent sixty days later, on the first of the eleventh month.&#160; [This assumes that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, and that the end dates, 9/1 and 11/1 are included in the count.]</fn> leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This, then, also explains the inconsistency in the dating of the landing and appearance of mountains (one to the end of the rain and the other to the start).&#160; These sources could not date the resting of the ark from the beginning of the rain since the 190 days would not fit in the allotted time frame. Conversely, they could not date the revealing of the mountain tops from the end of the flood, for that would mean that the 61 days mentioned in the verse ended before the tops were revealed, making it impossible for the dove to land.</fn></li>
<li><b>From the revealing of the mountain tops</b> – The Arukh and Rashi,<fn>The explanation given here follows the printed version of Rashi's commentary.&#160; In the <a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Leipzig manuscript of Rashi</a>, though, this explanation is written and then crossed out, replaced in the margins of the manuscript with an explanation that matches that of Seder Olam Rabbah. The scribe writes that this is how he found the text in the manuscript of R. Shemayah, the student/scribe of Rashi. It is unclear, though, if R. Shemayah made the change by himself or under Rashi's instructions.&#160; See also Daat Zekeinim which brings this explanation of Rashi, questions it, and then writes "לכך פירש"י" and brings the version which is similar to Seder Olam Rabbah.&#160; For a fuller discussion of the issue, and an image of the manuscript, see <a href="Commentators:Rashi_Leipzig_1/Bereshit_8" data-aht="page">here</a>.</fn>&#160;in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.<fn>As opposed to Seder Olam Rabbah, they can thus preserve the chronology of the chapter.</fn> They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month,<fn>Thus, 8:12 and 8:13 overlap in time, and Noach's opening of the cover of the ark is a direct response to the dove's not returning.</fn> as only this would explain why it did not return.<fn>R. Tam questions this assumption, pointing out that it is not clear why the first dove could not find a resting place, if the tops of the mountains had appeared over forty days before dove was sent. [This is what motivates his alternative suggestion above.]&#160; Chizkuni and&#160;<a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">R. Elyakim</a> suggest that doves prefer valleys, and would not nest on the mountains tops, while one of the Ba'alei HaTosafot posits that the phrase "וְלֹא מָצְאָה הַיּוֹנָה מָנוֹחַ" means that the dove did not find any food.</fn> Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,<fn>R. Tam questions this calculation, pointing out that, from the appearance of the mountains on the first of the 11th month until the end of that month is only 29 days, and that the twelfth month, being a "missing" month, is also only 29 days. Thus, 61 days from the appearance of the mountains would bring one to the third of the first month, not the first.&#160;<br/> Rashi, though, was likely assuming that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, adding up to a 60 (not 61) day period.&#160; Thus, if one includes both the first and last day (11/1 and 1/1) in the count, there are exactly 60 days from the revealing of the mountains to the drying of the land. See Rashi's language, "הרי ששים יום משנראו ראשי ההרים עד שחרבו פני האדמה".</fn> and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This necessitates the above mentioned inconsistency in the method of dating. Rashi could not date the revealing of the mountain tops to the end of the rain (as he had regarding the resting of the ark), for that would date it to the first of the twelfth month, and would only leave a month until the drying of the land, instead of the 60 days needed according to the verses.<br/>One of the Baalei Hatosafot tries to get around the problem by maintaining that the year was a leap year, giving an extra month's worth of time for all the events to occur. As such, he is able to date both the landing of the ark and the revealing of the mountains to the end of the rain, reaching dates of the 17th of Iyyar (9/17 due to the extra Adar) and the 1st of Elul (11/1 due to the extra Adar). He, thus, has the same amount of days pass until the landing (with ample room for the 190 days), but because there are 13 months in the year, he still has two months after the appearance of the mountain tops to send the doves.</fn></li>
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<li><b>From the revealing of the mountain tops</b> – The Arukh and Rashi,<fn>The explanation given here follows the printed version of Rashi's commentary.&#160; In the <a href="RashiBereshit8-5-6" data-aht="source">Leipzig manuscript of Rashi</a>, though, this explanation is written and then crossed out, replaced in the margins of the manuscript with an explanation that matches that of Seder Olam Rabbah. The scribe writes that this is how he found the text in the manuscript of R. Shemayah, the student/scribe of Rashi. It is unclear, though, if R. Shemayah made the change by himself or under Rashi's instructions.&#160; See also Daat Zekeinim which brings this explanation of Rashi, questions it, and then writes "לכך פירש"י" and brings the version which is similar to Seder Olam Rabbah.&#160; For a fuller discussion of the issue, and an image of the manuscript, see <a href="Commentators:Rashi_Leipzig_1/Bereshit_8" data-aht="page">here</a>.</fn>&#160;in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.<fn>As opposed to Seder Olam Rabbah, they can thus preserve the chronology of the chapter.</fn> They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month,<fn>Thus, 8:12 and 8:13 overlap in time, and Noach's opening of the cover of the ark is a direct response to the dove's not returning.</fn> as only this would explain why it did not return.<fn>R. Tam questions this assumption, pointing out that it is not clear why the first dove could not find a resting place, if the tops of the mountains had appeared over forty days before dove was sent. [This is what motivates his alternative suggestion above.]&#160; Chizkuni and&#160;<a href="MinchatYehudaBereshit8-6" data-aht="source">R. Elyakim</a> suggest that doves prefer valleys, and would not nest on the mountains tops, while one of the Ba'alei HaTosafot posits that the phrase "וְלֹא מָצְאָה הַיּוֹנָה מָנוֹחַ" means that the dove did not find any food.</fn> Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,<fn>R. Tam questions this calculation, pointing out that, from the appearance of the mountains on the first of the 11th month until the end of that month is only 29 days, and that the twelfth month, being a "missing" month, is also only 29 days. Thus, 61 days from the appearance of the mountains would bring one to the third of the first month, not the first.&#160;<br/> Rashi, though, was likely assuming that the dove was sent on the fortieth day itself, adding up to a 60 (not 61) day period.&#160; Thus, if one includes both the first and last day (11/1 and 1/1) in the count, there are exactly 60 days from the revealing of the mountains to the drying of the land. See Rashi's language, "הרי ששים יום משנראו ראשי ההרים עד שחרבו פני האדמה".</fn> and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).<fn>This necessitates the above mentioned inconsistency in the method of dating. Rashi could not date the revealing of the mountain tops to the end of the rain (as he had regarding the resting of the ark), for that would date it to the first of the twelfth month, and would only leave a month until the drying of the land, instead of the 60 days needed according to the verses.<br/>One of the&#160;<a href="TosafotHaShalemBereshit8-5-5" data-aht="source">Ba'alei HaTosafot</a> tries to get around the problem by maintaining that the year was a leap year, giving an extra month's worth of time for all the events to occur. As such, he is able to date both the landing of the ark and the revealing of the mountains to the end of the rain, reaching dates of the 17th of Iyyar (9/17 due to the extra Adar) and the 1st of Av (12/1 due to the extra Adar). He, thus, has the same amount of days pass until the landing (with ample room for the 190 days), but because there are 13 months in the year, he still has two months after the appearance of the mountain tops to send the doves.</fn></li>
<li><b>From the resting of the ark</b>&#160;– R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel,<fn>The Ba'alei Ha Tosafot bring a different version of his position, which fits with Seder Olam Rabbah above.</fn> and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.<fn>See discussion above.</fn>&#160; R. Tam rejects Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of,<fn>One need not posit, though, that Noach reckoned the forty days himself.&#160; It is possible that the Torah is simply providing the time frame of the events for the reader.</fn> such as the landing.<fn>He might be further motivated by a desire to explain the stages in the dove's travels. He, too, asserts that the mountain tops appeared on 11/1, but according to him, this is a few days before the first dove was sent (not when the final dove leaves). He can thus suggest that when the first dove was sent, though land was visible, it was still too wet to rest.&#160; The second dove, though, could already find a leaf, and by the third week, it was dry enough to land. He, thus, has no problem with the fact that the dove found a leaf before the mountian tops were visible.<br/>R. Ashkenazi's motivations are different.&#160; Desiring to count both the date of the ark's landing and the appearance of the mountains to the same event, he assumes that both are counted from the end of the rain.&#160; As such, he posits that the mountains appeared on the first of the 12th month.&#160; This means that he can't count the forty days from the mountain's appearance (as it would place the sending of the doves a couple of weeks after the drying of the land), leading him instead to the previously mentioned date, the landing of the ark.&#160; His, position, though, becomes extremely difficult, since according to his calculations, even the last dove is sent more than a week before the land appears, making it unclear how it found a place to rest.&#160; The position would only work, if he posits, lke the Rid above, that there was an extended waiting period between the sending of the crow and the sending of the doves.</fn>&#160; </li>
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<li><b>From the resting of the ark</b>&#160;– R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel,<fn>The Ba'alei Ha Tosafot bring a different version of his position, which fits with Seder Olam Rabbah above.</fn> and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.<fn>See discussion above.</fn>&#160; R. Tam rejects Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of,<fn>One need not posit, though, that Noach reckoned the forty days himself.&#160; It is possible that the Torah is simply providing the time frame of the events for the reader.</fn> such as the landing.<fn>He might be further motivated by a desire to explain the stages in the dove's travels. He, too, asserts that the mountain tops appeared on 11/1, but according to him, this is a few days before the first dove was sent (not when the final dove leaves). He can thus suggest that when the first dove was sent, though land was visible, it was still too wet to rest.&#160; The second dove, though, could already find a leaf, and by the third week, it was dry enough to land. He, thus, has no problem with the fact that the dove found a leaf before the mountian tops were visible.<br/>R. Ashkenazi's motivations are different.&#160; Desiring to count both the date of the ark's landing and the appearance of the mountains to the same event, he assumes that both are counted from the end of the rain.&#160; As such, he posits that the mountains appeared on the first of the 12th month.&#160; This means that he can't count the forty days from the mountain's appearance (as it would place the sending of the doves a couple of weeks after the drying of the land), leading him instead to the previously mentioned date, the landing of the ark.&#160; His, position, though, becomes extremely difficult, since according to his calculations, even the last dove is sent more than a week before the land appears, making it unclear how it found a place to rest.&#160; The position would only work, if he posits, lke the Rid above, that there was an extended waiting period between the sending of the crow and the sending of the doves.</fn>&#160;</li>
 
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<point><b>Shifting water levels</b> – Seder Olam Rabbah calculates that if from the first of the ninth month when the water started abating until the first of the eleventh month when the mountains appeared the water decreased 15 ammot then the water went down an ammah every four days.&#160; Therefore, on the 17th of the ninth month when the ark landed it was covered with 11 ammot of water.</point>
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<point><b>Shifting water levels</b> – Seder Olam Rabbah, and many of these sources in its wake, assume that the water receded at a steady pace from the first of the ninth month until the mountain tops were seen two months later.&#160; As such they calculate that they receded at a rate of one cubit&#160; every four days.<fn>Seder Olam thus posits that when the ark landed it was still submerged in 11 cubits of water.&#160; Ramban questions that if this were true, the ark should have sunk, as 1/3 of it was under water.</fn>&#160; This would mean that afterwards, though, there was a drastic change in pace, since in the remaining 3 1/2 months, the water would have to go down the height of an entire mountain!&#160; Chizkuni attempts to suggest that there was lot more volume to the water that was above the mountain tops since there were no land forms intervening.</point>
 
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Version as of 05:07, 23 June 2015

Chronology of the Flood

Exegetical Approaches

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150 Days Which Includes the First 40 Days

The two mentions of 150 days refer to the same time period and encompass the forty days of rain. The ark landed at the conclusion of these 150 days.  This approach subdivides regarding how the commentators understand the chapter's dating:

Months from creation

All the months mentioned in the verses are calculated according to the yearly calendar, from creation.

Months – These commentators assume that all the months mentioned in the account of the flood are numbered from the beginning of the calendar year.  They disagree, though, regarding whether the first month is Tishrei or Nissan.2
150 and 40 Overlap – This position assumes that the forty days of rain are subsumed in the 150 day period, reading the final verse of Chapter 7 "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם", as a summary statement of the previously described events rather than a successive event.3
One set of 150 – They similarly assume that the statement "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" does not mean that the water receded after a second set of 150 days, but rather that it decreased after, or the reduction was first noticeable at the end of, the 150 days previously mentioned.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – Though all these sources agree that there was but one set of 150 days, they disagree in how they understand the relationship between the periods of increasing and receding waters:4
  • Water first decreased after 150 days ­ - The author of the Qumran Scroll, Yefet the Karaite, Ibn Ezra,5 Ramban, and Seforno all understand the phrase "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" to mean that the water only began to decrease at the end of the 150 days. Until that point the water level was either still rising, or at least, maintaining its height. Seforno suggests that even though the rain stopped after 40 days, the underground sources of water were still open,6 causing continued water pressure during this entire period.7 Ramban, in contrast, seems to maintain that though the waters did not continue to increase after the fortieth day, due to the great humidity8 they retained their height throughout this period.
  • Water decreased after the forty days of rain – Most of the other commentators in this approach9 assume that the water started to recede right after the rain stopped. The phrase " וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" simply means that the waters were is a state of strength (relative to normal water heights), not that they were increasing, or even maintaining their level.  R"Y Bekhor Shor, R. Hoffmann and U. Cassuto explain the verse "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם"   to mean not that the water first began to recede at this point but that the decrease was first noticeable to Noach after this period, when the ark landed.10
Chronology
  • Chronological –Those who maintain that the waters maintained their strength throughout the 150 days, read the verses chronologically, with Chapter 7 describing the rising  flood and Chapter 8 detailing the decreasing waters at the end of the 150 days.11
  • Achronological – The other commentators, though, assume that verses 8:2-4 (the sending of the wind and closing of the heavenly windows) occurred in the midst of the 150 days that are mentioned in the preceding chapter and that there is an element of achronology in the verses.  Akeidat Yitzchak and Shadal explain that the Torah purposely separated the images of destruction and salvation, detailing the world's collapse in Chapter 7 before describing its rebuilding in Chapter 8.
How do 150 days fit in five months? According to the fixed lunar calendar, months generally alternate between having 29 and 30 days,12 which means that there can be at most 147-149 days in any 5 month period.13  As such, this position must explain how the 150 days fit into the five months between 2/17 when the rain began and 7/17 when the ark rested.   The commentators resolve this issue in different ways:
  • Different calendar – Several sources reject the assumption that the dates in the story are based on the Hebrew lunar calendar:
    • Solar Calendar –  Some commentators14 assert that the months mentioned relate to the solar calendar. According to this reckoning there are 152 days in five months and the 150 day period ended a couple of days before the ark rested.15
    • Persian/Egyptian – Ibn Ezra suggests, in contrast, that Noach was using a calendar like that of the Egyptians or Persians who would intercalate their year by adding 5 days to a certain month. The total days in the five month period can thus equal or surpass 150.16
  • Lunar calendar based on eyewitnesses – Yefet and Anan the Karaites maintain that Noach did use a lunar calendar, but one in which the months were determined by eyewitnesses rather than calculations.17 They assume that if no one can see the moon (as was the case when Noach was in the Ark)18 the default length of a month is thirty days.19  This allows for exactly 150 days between 2/17 and 7/17.20
  • Fixed Hebrew Lunar Calendar – A last group of sources attempt to uphold the idea that the Torah is employing the Rabbinic calendar:
    • Round Numbers - The Rid and U. Cassuto solve the problem by simply suggesting that 150 days is a round number. Though, in reality there were fewer days in the five month period, the Torah rounded up to the the next ten.21
    • Full Leap Year - R. Saadia suggests that one can reach 150 days using a regular fixed lunar calendar if the year was a "full" leap year. In such a year, 4 of the 5 months( Marcheshvan, Kislev, Shevat and Adar I) would all have 30 days. As such 7/17 is the 150th day.22
How did the ark land so soon? These commentators differ in how they understand how the ark managed to land right after the 150 days of strong waters, if the mountain tops were still covered  by fifteen cubits of water:23
  • Receded over 110 days – According to those who say that the water started to decrease already after the 40 days of rain, this is not an issue,24 and is, in fact, one of the factors that motivate them to explain the verses as they do. Shadal even maintains that by this point the higher mountain tops were totally uncovered, and that Bereshit 8:5 describes only the revealing of the shorter mountains.
  • Receded over 2 days – According to those who maintain that the waters retained their strength throughout, but that a solar calendar was used and thus the 150 period ended by the 15th of the seventh month, there was a period of two days in which the water lessened, allowing the ark to land.
  • Miraculous intervention – Ramban, in contrast, is forced to assert that Hashem sent a miraculous wind which decreased the waters substantially on the 150th day itself.25 
Shifting water levels – A simple reading of the verses suggests that the waters decreased at an extremely varied pace:
  • If one posits that the water first decreased after the 150 days, then it went down only 15 cubits in the 2 1/2 months from 7/17 until 10/1 compared to thousands of cubits in the 3 months from then until the land dried on 1/1.26  Ramban explains that there is no reason to think that the water needed to decrease at a steady pace. In addition, according to him, Hashem's intervention on the first day led to a vast decrease in the water, 27 minimizing the difference in the rate of reduction thereafter slightly.28
  • Those who posit that the water began to recede after the rain stopped have an even bigger problem, since according to them, initially the water receded only 15 cubits in over 180 days!29   Shadal minimizes the problem by asserting that by the time the ark landed on 7/17, more than 15 cubits of water had already receded, since Mt. Ararat was not the tallest, but rather one of the shorter mountains.30  There would, nonetheless, still seem to be a significant increase in the rate of water reduction in the last 3 months, assuming that even the shorter mountains were a few thousand cubits high.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of doves
  • From the revealing of the mountain tops – Most of these commentators count the 40 days from the preceding date mentioned in the verses, the first of the tenth month, when the mountain tops were visible.  They explain, that despite the fact that land had already been visible for over  a month, the dove could not find a resting place either because it preferred the valleys or the air was too moist.31
  • From the landing of the ark – The Rid, in contrast, counts the forty days from the landing of the ark on the seventeenth of the seventh month. He assumes that the first dove was sent ten days after the raven, and the final dove twenty-one days later, on the first of the tenth month. It was only then, when the mountaintops were finally revealed, that the dove could rest.

Varied Dating

Some months are counted to creation and some are dated in reference to key points during the flood.

Months – According to Ramban and R. Ashkenazi, the beginning and end of the flood (2/17 and 2/27) are dated to the beginning of the calendar year, but the months mentioned in the middle of the story, the landing of the ark on 2/17 and the revealing of the mountain tops on 10/1, are both dated to the start of the flood.33 The last date, though, when Noach opens the ark's cover on 1/1, is once again dated to the beginning of the year.  This approach is motivated by a desire to make sense of the various time-frames in the chapter34 but its obvious disadvantage is its inconsistency.35
40 and 150 overlap – Like the above approach, these commentators also view the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם", as a summary statement of the previously described events, and assume that the 40 days are included therein.
One set of 150 – Both Ramban and R. Ashkenazi maintain that the verse "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם מִקְצֵה חֲמִשִּׁים וּמְאַת יוֹם" does not refer to a new period of 150 days, but to the end of the previously mentioned one.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – These commentators assert that the waters maintained their strength throughout the 150 days, and only began to abate afterwards.36
Chronology – This position does not need to assume any achronology in the verses describing the increasing and decreasing waters.
How do 150 days fit in five months? According to this approach there are really six months from the start of the flood until the resting of the ark.37  This easily fits the period of 150 days of increasing waters, even leaving a month over afterwards.
How did the ark land so soon? According to this position, there was a month between the 150 days and the resting of the ark, enough time for the water to recede sufficiently to allow the ark to find a  resting place.
Shifting water levels – As this position reduces the time between the revealing of the mountain tops and the drying of the land to two months,38 it exacerbates the problem of the changing rate of reduction.  It has the waters reducing 15 cubits in about 2.5 months, while they are lowered thousands of cubits in 2 months!
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם... וַיְשַׁלַּח אֶת הָעֹרֵב" – This is dated from the previously mentioned event, the revealing of the mountain tops, which this position maintains occurred on the first of the eleventh month (the tenth month being counted from start of the flood).  As such, the sending of the final dove 61 days later,39 fell on the first of the first month, when the land dried.40 This explains why it was only now, that it did not return.

150 Days Which Do Not Include the First 40 Days

The two mentions of 150 days are one unit of time, while the forty days of rain are a distinct unit.  As such, there was a 190 day period before the waters began to decrease.

Distinct 40 and 150 days – This approach assumes that there is no overlap between the description of the flood and the 150 days of strong waters.  The verses follow sequentially, with the 150 days following the forty days of rain.
One Set of 150 – This position, nonetheless, agrees that there is only one set of 150 days and that the waters receded at the end of the previously mentioned 150 days, and not after a new set.
"וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" and "וַיַּחְסְרוּ הַמַּיִם" – Though all these commentators maintain that the water started to abate only after the 150 days, they differ regarding what happened during the initial period itself:
  • Waters retained strength – According to Seder Olam Rabbah and the Arukh, the water stopped increasing after the forty days of rain, but maintained their level throughout.41 According to this, the phrase "וַיִּגְבְּרוּ הַמַּיִם" does not mean that the waters increased but that they stayed in their strength.
  • Waters increased – According to Ba'alei HaTosafot, in contrast, even after the rain stopped, the water continued to increase throughout the 150 days. He might maintain that the waters continued to emerge from underground.42
How do 190 days fit into 5 months? The verses state that the ark rested on the 17th of the seventh month.   According to this position, though, at this point the waters were still at their height (and would be through the 29th of the eighth month)!43  This forces these commentators to reinterpret this date and to assume that it is dated to an event in the flood narrative rather than the beginning of the calendar year:
  • End of rain – Most of these commentators44 assert that the 17th of the seventh month is being counted from the month in which the rain stopped.  As such, it is really equivalent to to the 17th of the ninth month,45 which gives ample time for the waters to decrease before the ark landed.46
  • Beginning of rain – The Arukh, Lekach Tov and R. Yitzchak47 get to the same date but through a different calculation. They assert that one needs to count seven full months from the date the rain began. Thus, 2/17 plus 7 months brings one to 9/17.48
"בָּעֲשִׂירִי בְּאֶחָד לַחֹדֶשׁ נִרְאוּ רָאשֵׁי הֶהָרִים." – These sources suggest that this date, too, should not be counted from the beginning of the year and almost unanimously date it to the start of the flood, reaching a date of 11/1.49 This, of course, is inconsistent both with the dates of the start and end of the flood (dated to the beginning of the calendar year), and with the way most of these commentators dated the landing of the ark, which was to the end of the rain, not the beginning.50 They are motivated to do so, though, by their understanding of the verses regarding the sending of the doves - see point below.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" and the sending of the doves – The verse does not say explicitly from which event the forty days are to be counted.  These commentators offer three different possibilities:
  • From when the waters began to abate – According to Seder Olam Rabbah, Rashbam, and one version of R. Tam51 the 40 days are counted from the first of the ninth month, after the waters began to decrease.  They suggest this so as to allow the final dove to be sent on the day the mountain tops appear, assuming that had the dove been sent any later there would be no way to explain why it could not previously find a resting place.52  This reading, though, necessitates dating the appearance of the mountains to the first of the eleventh month,53 leading to the above mentioned idea that the date mentioned in the verses, 10/1, is really dated to the beginning of the rain (and not the year).54
  • From the revealing of the mountain tops – The Arukh and Rashi,55 in contrast, maintain more simply that the forty days are counted from the last date mentioned in the verses, the revealing of the mountain tops.56 They assume that the final sending of the dove must have coincided with the drying of the land on the first of the first month,57 as only this would explain why it did not return.58 Thus, working backwards from this date (1/1), they, too, need to suggest that the mountain tops appeared on the first of the eleventh month,59 and that the date mentioned in the verses (10/1) is from the beginning of the rain (and not the year).60
  • From the resting of the ark – R. Tam, as brought by R. Chayim Paltiel,61 and R. Eliezer Ashkenazi assert that the forty days began with the landing of the ark, which they date to the seventeenth of the ninth month.62  R. Tam rejects Seder Olam's possibility above, asserting that Noach would have been unaware of the day in which the water started decreasing, and so he must have counted the forty days from an event he was cognizant of,63 such as the landing.64 
Shifting water levels – Seder Olam Rabbah, and many of these sources in its wake, assume that the water receded at a steady pace from the first of the ninth month until the mountain tops were seen two months later.  As such they calculate that they receded at a rate of one cubit  every four days.65  This would mean that afterwards, though, there was a drastic change in pace, since in the remaining 3 1/2 months, the water would have to go down the height of an entire mountain!  Chizkuni attempts to suggest that there was lot more volume to the water that was above the mountain tops since there were no land forms intervening.

Two sets of 150 Days Which Include the Second 40 Days

Relationship between numbers of days – Radak writes that for forty days there was rain and then there were two sets of 150 days one in which the water was increasing and one in which the water was decreasing. The second 150 days includes the second forty days but does not include the 21 days of sending the birds.  These numbers come out to 361 days that Noach was in the ark.
The seventh and tenth months – According to Radak the water stopped increasing on the first of the ninth month with the conclusion of the first 40 and 150 days. The seventh month in which the ark landed is being counted from the end of the rain and really is the ninth month to the beginning of the year. The ark landed on the seventeenth of the ninth month after the water started decreasing.  Radak also writes that the tenth month is the tenth month to the beginning of the flood and the tops of the mountains appeared on the first of the eleventh month.
"וַיְהִי מִקֵּץ אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם" – Radak writes that the second forty days started when the ark landed and not when the water started decreasing as Noach only knew when the ark landed because he felt it.  According to this explanation the 21 days were during the second 150 days in which the water was decreasing and not like his previous explanation that they were at the end of the flood after the second set of 150 days ended. This approach has to explain why the dove did not land already on the first time it was sent which was after the tops of the mountains appeared.  Ba'alei HaTosafot explain this based on Radak's explanation that Noach sent the dove which only rests once it finishes the mission it was given and therefore it only landed after it gave Noach a sign that the water was lowering by giving him an olive leaf.