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<category>Eliyahu Died
 
<category>Eliyahu Died
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryBereshitAppendix1" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryBereshitAppendix1" data-aht="source">Commentary Bereshit Appendix 1</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-11" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:11</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-16" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:16</a><a href="RadakMalakhi3-23" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3:23</a><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimII21-12" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim II 21:12</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>,<fn>Radak also brings chazal's approach that Eliyahu lived forever.</fn> <multilink><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-14" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:14</a><a href="Biur (Netivot HaShalom)" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur (Netivot HaShalom)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="HoilMosheMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Hoil Moshe</a><a href="HoilMosheMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi (Hoil Moshe)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryBereshitAppendix1" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryBereshitAppendix1" data-aht="source">Commentary Bereshit Appendix 1</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-11" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:11</a><a href="RadakMelakhimII2-16" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:16</a><a href="RadakMalakhi3-23" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3:23</a><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimII21-12" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim II 21:12</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>,<fn>Radak also brings chazal's approach that Eliyahu lived forever.</fn> <multilink><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="BiurMelakhimII2-14" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:14</a><a href="Biur (Netivot HaShalom)" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur (Netivot HaShalom)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="HoilMosheMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Hoil Moshe</a><a href="HoilMosheMelakhimII2-1" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1</a><a href="R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi (Hoil Moshe)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>"הַשָּׁמָיִם"&#160;– Where did Eliyahu go?</b> These commentators disagree what happened:<br/>
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<point><b>"הַשָּׁמָיִם"&#160;– Where did Eliyahu go?</b> These commentators disagree regarding what happened:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<ul>
<li>Ascended and descended&#160;– R. Saadia Gaon says that</li>
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<li><b>Ascended and descended</b>&#160;– R. Saadia Gaon says that Eliyahu was raised in a storm to be brought to an unknown place, on earth, where he lived for an undesignated amount of time before he died.&#160; He understands the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" figuratively; Eliyahu was not brought literally to the heavens, but simply raised up via the storm winds.</li>
<li>Went up to heavens&#160;– Radak, Biur and Hoil Moshe</li>
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<li><b>Went up to heavens</b>&#160;– Radak and Hoil Moshe,<fn>The Biur does not address the issue explicitly but seems to agree.</fn> in contrast, understand the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" literally and suggest that during the storm the "chariots of fire" burned Eliyahu's body, but his soul went up to heaven.</li>
 
</ul></point>
 
</ul></point>
<point><b>Where is Eliyahu now?</b></point>
 
 
<point><b>"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ"</b> – These commentators disagree whether the letter was sent by Eliyahu while he was still alive or not:<br/>
 
<point><b>"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ"</b> – These commentators disagree whether the letter was sent by Eliyahu while he was still alive or not:<br/>
 
<ul>
 
<ul>
<li>Eliyahu was dead – Radak explains that after Eliyahu died he came to one of the prophets ברוח הנבואה and told him to write the letter in the name of Eliyahu.<fn>Ibn Ezra brings the possibility that Eliyahu wrote the letter ברוח הנבואה before he died and then gave it to one of בני הנביאים to give to Yehoram although rejects it since then it should say "ויובא אליו".</fn></li>
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<li><b>Eliyahu was dead</b> – Radak explains that after Eliyahu died he appeared to one of the prophets in a vision and told him to write the letter in the name of Eliyahu.<fn>Ibn Ezra brings the possibility that Eliyahu wrote the letter ברוח הנבואה before he died and then gave it to one of בני הנביאים to give to Yehoram although rejects it since then it should say "ויובא אליו".</fn></li>
<li>Eliyahu was still alive – The Biur holds that Eliyahu only died during Yehoram's kingship and so was still alive when he sent the letter.<fn>The Biur explains that the story in Melakhim II 2 of Eliyahu's disappearance happened later (and is probably told since chapter 1 is the last story of Eliyahu's prophecies).&#160; During the time between Achazyahu's death and Yehoram's kingship Eliyahu did not act as a prophet (but rather was secluding) and Elisha had taken over already.</fn>&#160; It is possible that R. Saadia also holds that Eliyahu was still alive when he sent the letter, and he wrote it during Yehoram's kingship after he was taken בסערה but before he died.</li>
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<li><b>Eliyahu was still alive</b> Since R. Saadia maintains that Eliyahu did not die during the storm, it is possible that he was still alive during the reign of Yehoram. The Biur asserts that Chapter 2 and the story of the storm is achronological and really occurred at some point after sending the letter.<fn>He assumes that after Achazyahu's death, Eliyahu was in seclusion and Elisha was acting as prophet in his stead.&#160; Thus, Elisha is the acting prophet during the war of Moav and the chapters afterwards.&#160; As such, one might suggest that Chapter 2 appears where it does because it marks the end of Eliyahu's tenure as prophet, even though he was still alive.<br/><br/></fn>&#160; </li>
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<point><b>Malakhi 3:23</b><ul>
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<li><b>Eliyahu will be resurrected</b> – Radak asserts that Eliyahu will be resurrected so that he can return to the earth and act as Hashem's messenger before the day of judgement.</li>
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<li><b>Eliyahu as a term for prophet&#160;</b>– Hoil Moshe, in contrast, asserts that Eliyahu himself is not going to come at all.&#160; Malakhi is just saying that there will be prophets, like Eliyahu, again in Israel.<fn>Hoil Moshe says it is like the verse "וְעַבְדִּי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ עֲלֵיהֶם" which also refers just to a king like David but not David himself.</fn></li>
 
</ul></point>
 
</ul></point>
<point><b>Malakhi 3:23</b> – Radak holds that there is going to be resurrection for Eliyahu so he can come.&#160; On the other hand, Hoil Moshe says that Eliyahu himself is not going to come.&#160; Malakhi is just saying that there will be a prophets again in Yisrael, and the prophet will be similar to Eliyahu.<fn>Hoil Moshe says it is like the verse "וְעַבְדִּי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ עֲלֵיהֶם" which also refers just to a king like David but not David himself.</fn></point>
 
 
<point><b>Why have a unique process?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Why have a unique process?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>

Version as of 00:19, 2 August 2015

Eliyahu's Death

Exegetical Approaches

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Eliyahu is Alive

"הַשָּׁמָיִם" – Where did Eliyahu go?
Where is Eliyahu now?
"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ"
Malakhi 3:23
Why didn't Eliyahu die?
Resurrection of the dead
What did בני הנביאים know and think?
"סְעָרָה"
לקיחה
Pinchas
Polemics
Philosophical motivation

Eliyahu Died

"הַשָּׁמָיִם" – Where did Eliyahu go? These commentators disagree regarding what happened:
  • Ascended and descended – R. Saadia Gaon says that Eliyahu was raised in a storm to be brought to an unknown place, on earth, where he lived for an undesignated amount of time before he died.  He understands the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" figuratively; Eliyahu was not brought literally to the heavens, but simply raised up via the storm winds.
  • Went up to heavens – Radak and Hoil Moshe,2 in contrast, understand the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" literally and suggest that during the storm the "chariots of fire" burned Eliyahu's body, but his soul went up to heaven.
"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ" – These commentators disagree whether the letter was sent by Eliyahu while he was still alive or not:
  • Eliyahu was dead – Radak explains that after Eliyahu died he appeared to one of the prophets in a vision and told him to write the letter in the name of Eliyahu.3
  • Eliyahu was still alive – Since R. Saadia maintains that Eliyahu did not die during the storm, it is possible that he was still alive during the reign of Yehoram. The Biur asserts that Chapter 2 and the story of the storm is achronological and really occurred at some point after sending the letter.4 
Malakhi 3:23
  • Eliyahu will be resurrected – Radak asserts that Eliyahu will be resurrected so that he can return to the earth and act as Hashem's messenger before the day of judgement.
  • Eliyahu as a term for prophet – Hoil Moshe, in contrast, asserts that Eliyahu himself is not going to come at all.  Malakhi is just saying that there will be prophets, like Eliyahu, again in Israel.5
Why have a unique process?
Resurrection of the dead
What did בני הנביאים know and think? Radak says that בני הנביאים thought that maybe Eliyahu didn't die but rather disappeared (like he did regularly) and so they were looking where he was hiding.  In contrast, Hoil Moshe explains that בני הנביאים did know that Eliyahu was going to die and they were just looking for his body so they can bury it (not knowing that his body was burnt).
"סְעָרָה"
לקיחה
Polemics
Philosophical motivation