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<category>Eliyahu is Alive
 
<category>Eliyahu is Alive
<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliMoedKatan26a" data-aht="source">Bavli</a><a href="BavliMoedKatan26a" data-aht="source">Moed Katan 26a</a><a href="BavliBavaBatra121b" data-aht="source">Bava Batra 121b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah21-5" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah21-5" data-aht="source">21:5</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="IbnEzraMalakhi3-24" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraMalakhi3-24" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3:24</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanVayikra18-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanVayikra18-4" data-aht="source">Vayikra 18:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagMelakhimII2-13" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-1" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:1</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimI22-38" data-aht="source">Melakhim I 22:38</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimII2-13" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1,3,11</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimII12-18" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 12:18</a><a href="RalbagDivreiHaYamimII21-12" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim II 21:12</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelMelakhimII2-12" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelMelakhimII2-12" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:12</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink></mekorot>
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<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliMoedKatan26a" data-aht="source">Bavli</a><a href="BavliMoedKatan26a" data-aht="source">Moed Katan 26a</a><a href="BavliBavaBatra121b" data-aht="source">Bava Batra 121b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah21-5" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah21-5" data-aht="source">21:5</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="IbnEzraMalakhi3-24" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraMalakhi3-24" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3:24</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanVayikra18-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanVayikra18-4" data-aht="source">Vayikra 18:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagMelakhimII2-13" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-1" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:1</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimI22-38" data-aht="source">Melakhim I 22:38</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimII2-13" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:1,3,11</a><a href="RalbagMelakhimII12-18" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 12:18</a><a href="RalbagDivreiHaYamimII21-12" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim II 21:12</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelMelakhimII2-12" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelMelakhimII2-12" data-aht="source">Melakhim II 2:12</a><a href="AbarbanelMalakhi3-23" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3:23</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>"הַשָּׁמָיִם"&#160;– Where did Eliyahu go?</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַשָּׁמָיִם"&#160;– Where did Eliyahu go?</b> These commentators disagree where Eliyahu is alive:<br/>
<point><b>Where is Eliyahu now?</b></point>
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<ul>
<point><b>"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ"</b></point>
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<li>Eliyahu is alive in Gan Eden – from Midreshei Chazal it seems that Eliyahu went up to Gan Eden with his body and lives there.&#160; Every so often he comes down to the land to fulfill his missions.</li>
<point><b>Malakhi 3:23</b></point>
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<li>Eliyahu is alive on Earth&#160;– Ralbag says that Eliyahu did not go up to שמים rather went up "בגובה האויר" and Hashem took him to an unknown place where he still lives.</li>
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</ul></point>
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<point><b>"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ"</b> – This approach maintains that Eliyahu was still alive and was able to send the letter.</point>
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<point><b>Malakhi 3:23</b> – This verse is one of the motivations for this approach that Eliyahu is still alive.</point>
 
<point><b>Why didn't Eliyahu die?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Why didn't Eliyahu die?</b></point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>
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<li><b>Eliyahu as a term for prophet&#160;</b>– Hoil Moshe, in contrast, asserts that Eliyahu himself is not going to come at all.&#160; Malakhi is just saying that there will be prophets, like Eliyahu, again in Israel.<fn>Hoil Moshe says it is like the verse "וְעַבְדִּי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ עֲלֵיהֶם" which also refers just to a king like David but not David himself.</fn></li>
 
<li><b>Eliyahu as a term for prophet&#160;</b>– Hoil Moshe, in contrast, asserts that Eliyahu himself is not going to come at all.&#160; Malakhi is just saying that there will be prophets, like Eliyahu, again in Israel.<fn>Hoil Moshe says it is like the verse "וְעַבְדִּי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ עֲלֵיהֶם" which also refers just to a king like David but not David himself.</fn></li>
 
</ul></point>
 
</ul></point>
<point><b>Why have a unique process?</b></point>
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<point><b>Why have a unique process?</b> Hoil Moshe explains that Hashem wanted Eliyahu's death to be as wondrous as his life.</point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>
 
<point><b>Resurrection of the dead</b></point>
 
<point><b>What did בני הנביאים know and think?</b> Radak says that בני הנביאים thought that maybe Eliyahu didn't die but rather disappeared (like he did regularly) and so they were looking where he was hiding.&#160; In contrast, Hoil Moshe explains that בני הנביאים did know that Eliyahu was going to die and they were just looking for his body so they can bury it (not knowing that his body was burnt).</point>
 
<point><b>What did בני הנביאים know and think?</b> Radak says that בני הנביאים thought that maybe Eliyahu didn't die but rather disappeared (like he did regularly) and so they were looking where he was hiding.&#160; In contrast, Hoil Moshe explains that בני הנביאים did know that Eliyahu was going to die and they were just looking for his body so they can bury it (not knowing that his body was burnt).</point>

Version as of 01:20, 13 August 2015

Eliyahu's Death

Exegetical Approaches

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Eliyahu is Alive

"הַשָּׁמָיִם" – Where did Eliyahu go? These commentators disagree where Eliyahu is alive:
  • Eliyahu is alive in Gan Eden – from Midreshei Chazal it seems that Eliyahu went up to Gan Eden with his body and lives there.  Every so often he comes down to the land to fulfill his missions.
  • Eliyahu is alive on Earth – Ralbag says that Eliyahu did not go up to שמים rather went up "בגובה האויר" and Hashem took him to an unknown place where he still lives.
"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ" – This approach maintains that Eliyahu was still alive and was able to send the letter.
Malakhi 3:23 – This verse is one of the motivations for this approach that Eliyahu is still alive.
Why didn't Eliyahu die?
Resurrection of the dead
What did בני הנביאים know and think?
"סְעָרָה"
לקיחה
Pinchas
Polemics
Philosophical motivation

Eliyahu Died

"הַשָּׁמָיִם" – Where did Eliyahu go? These commentators disagree regarding what happened:
  • Ascended and descended – R. Saadia Gaon says that Eliyahu was raised in a storm to be brought to an unknown place, on earth, where he lived for an undesignated amount of time before he died.  He understands the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" figuratively; Eliyahu was not brought literally to the heavens, but simply raised up via the storm winds.
  • Went up to heavens – Radak and Hoil Moshe,2 in contrast, understand the term "הַשָּׁמָיִם" literally and suggest that during the storm the "chariots of fire" burned Eliyahu's body, but his soul went up to heaven.
"מִכְתָּב מֵאֵלִיָּהוּ" – These commentators disagree whether the letter was sent by Eliyahu while he was still alive or not:
  • Eliyahu was dead – Radak explains that after Eliyahu died he appeared to one of the prophets in a vision and told him to write the letter in the name of Eliyahu.3
  • Eliyahu was still alive – Since R. Saadia maintains that Eliyahu did not die during the storm, it is possible that he was still alive during the reign of Yehoram. The Biur asserts that Chapter 2 and the story of the storm is achronological and really occurred at some point after sending the letter.4
Malakhi 3:23
  • Eliyahu will be resurrected – Radak asserts that Eliyahu will be resurrected so that he can return to the earth and act as Hashem's messenger before the day of judgment.
  • Eliyahu as a term for prophet – Hoil Moshe, in contrast, asserts that Eliyahu himself is not going to come at all.  Malakhi is just saying that there will be prophets, like Eliyahu, again in Israel.5
Why have a unique process? Hoil Moshe explains that Hashem wanted Eliyahu's death to be as wondrous as his life.
Resurrection of the dead
What did בני הנביאים know and think? Radak says that בני הנביאים thought that maybe Eliyahu didn't die but rather disappeared (like he did regularly) and so they were looking where he was hiding.  In contrast, Hoil Moshe explains that בני הנביאים did know that Eliyahu was going to die and they were just looking for his body so they can bury it (not knowing that his body was burnt).
"סְעָרָה"
לקיחה
Polemics
Philosophical motivation