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<li><b>Plague in time of David</b> – As the story opens with the fact that "וַיֹּסֶף אַף י"י לַחֲרוֹת בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל", these sources can easily explain that the nation had done something unconnected to David's deeds which had incurred the wrath of Hashem, and it was for this that they were plagued.<fn>See <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelII24-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelII24-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 24:1</a></multilink> who explains the story in this manner.</fn></li> | <li><b>Plague in time of David</b> – As the story opens with the fact that "וַיֹּסֶף אַף י"י לַחֲרוֹת בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל", these sources can easily explain that the nation had done something unconnected to David's deeds which had incurred the wrath of Hashem, and it was for this that they were plagued.<fn>See <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelII24-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelII24-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 24:1</a></multilink> who explains the story in this manner.</fn></li> | ||
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<point><b>What about babies?</b> As it is difficult to say that infants or toddlers should be culpable for any sin, this approach must explain their deaths/punishments as being of a different nature, related to the principle of "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבֹת עַל בָּנִים", that children at times are punished for the sins of their parents.<fn>R. Saadia brings a somewhat radical approach which suggests that before the flood there were no children, obviating the problem of infants dying in the deluge.  This, of course, would not explain the perishing of any children in Sedom, or other punitive plagues described later in Tanakh.</fn>  For a variety of approaches to this principle see <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a></point> | <point><b>What about babies?</b> As it is difficult to say that infants or toddlers should be culpable for any sin, this approach must explain their deaths/punishments as being of a different nature, related to the principle of "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבֹת עַל בָּנִים", that children at times are punished for the sins of their parents.<fn>R. Saadia brings a somewhat radical approach which suggests that before the flood there were no children, obviating the problem of infants dying in the deluge.  This, of course, would not explain the perishing of any children in Sedom, or other punitive plagues described later in Tanakh.</fn>  For a variety of approaches to this principle see <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a></point> | ||
<point><b>Divine vs. human retribution</b> – These sources do not address the issue.  <br/> | <point><b>Divine vs. human retribution</b> – These sources do not address the issue.  <br/> | ||
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