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<h2>An Age Old Question</h2>
 
<h2>An Age Old Question</h2>
<p>The question of why the wicked prosper while the righteous suffer is one of the oldest in the world.&#160; From Moshe's question, "לָמָה הֲרֵעֹתָה לָעָם הַזֶּה",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Shemot5-22-23" data-aht="source">Shemot 5:22-23</a>.&#160; The <multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Bavli </a><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7a</a><a href="BavliTaanit11a" data-aht="source">Taanit 11a</a><a href="BavliMoedKatan28a" data-aht="source">Moed Katan 28a</a><a href="BavliKiddushin39b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 39b</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b_2" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliMenachot29b" data-aht="source">Menachot 29b</a><a href="BavliChulin142a" data-aht="source">Chulin 142a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>suggests that Moshe's words to Hashem in Shemot 32, "הוֹדִעֵנִי נָא אֶת דְּרָכֶךָ", also relate to our issue and are a request to understand why sometimes the righteous suffer and wicked prosper.</fn> to Yirmeyahu's complaint, "מַדּוּעַ דֶּרֶךְ רְשָׁעִים צָלֵחָה ",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Yirmeyahu12-1" data-aht="source">Yirmeyahu 12:1-2</a>.</fn> and Kohelet's observation, " יֵשׁ צַדִּיק אֹבֵד בְּצִדְקוֹ וְיֵשׁ רָשָׁע מַאֲרִיךְ בְּרָעָתוֹ",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Kohelet7-15" data-aht="source">Kohelet 7:15</a> .</fn>&#8206; the issue comes up time and again in Tanakh.<fn>See also <a href="Chavakkuk1-13" data-aht="source">Chavakkuk 1</a>, <a href="Malakhi3-14-15" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3</a>, <a href="Tehillim73-1-14" data-aht="source">Tehillim 73</a>, <a href="Kohelet8-14" data-aht="source">Kohelet 8</a> and <a href="Kohelet9-2" data-aht="source">Kohelet 9</a>.</fn>&#160; It is Sefer Iyyov, though, which addresses the problem most fundamentally.&#160; The entire book is devoted to understanding why the upright and God-fearing Iyyov deserved to lose his health, wealth, and loved ones. Various suggestions are made by his friends, but each is rejected.&#160; The book's conclusion is obscure, leaving the reader unsure as to its answer to the problem.</p>
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<p>The question of why the wicked prosper while the righteous suffer is one of the oldest in the world.&#160; From Moshe's question, "לָמָה הֲרֵעֹתָה לָעָם הַזֶּה",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Shemot5-22-23" data-aht="source">Shemot 5:22-23</a>.&#160; The Egyptian bondage (the subject of Moshe's question) is one of the only places in Torah in which a catastrophe befalls the nation as a whole without explicit mention of sin beforehand. <br/>The <multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Bavli </a><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7a</a><a href="BavliTaanit11a" data-aht="source">Taanit 11a</a><a href="BavliMoedKatan28a" data-aht="source">Moed Katan 28a</a><a href="BavliKiddushin39b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 39b</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b_2" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliMenachot29b" data-aht="source">Menachot 29b</a><a href="BavliChulin142a" data-aht="source">Chulin 142a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>suggests that Moshe's words to Hashem in Shemot 32, "הוֹדִעֵנִי נָא אֶת דְּרָכֶךָ", also relate to our issue and constitute a request to understand why sometimes the righteous suffer and wicked prosper.</fn> to Yirmeyahu's complaint, "מַדּוּעַ דֶּרֶךְ רְשָׁעִים צָלֵחָה ",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Yirmeyahu12-1" data-aht="source">Yirmeyahu 12:1-2</a>.</fn> and Kohelet's observation, " יֵשׁ צַדִּיק אֹבֵד בְּצִדְקוֹ וְיֵשׁ רָשָׁע מַאֲרִיךְ בְּרָעָתוֹ",&#8206;<fn>See <a href="Kohelet7-15" data-aht="source">Kohelet 7:15</a> .</fn>&#8206; the issue comes up time and again in Tanakh.<fn>See also <a href="Chavakkuk1-13" data-aht="source">Chavakkuk 1</a>, <a href="Malakhi3-14-15" data-aht="source">Malakhi 3</a>, <a href="Tehillim73-1-14" data-aht="source">Tehillim 73</a>, <a href="Kohelet8-14" data-aht="source">Kohelet 8</a> and <a href="Kohelet9-2" data-aht="source">Kohelet 9</a>, each of which questions the seeminglu unjust due given to people. Some focus more on the question of "צדיק ירע לו" and others on "רשע וטוב לו".</fn>&#160; It is Sefer Iyyov, though, which addresses the problem most fundamentally.&#160; The entire book is devoted to understanding why the upright and God-fearing Iyyov deserved to lose his health, wealth, and loved ones. Various suggestions are made by his friends, but each is rejected.&#160; The book's conclusion is obscure, leaving the reader unsure as to its answer to the problem.</p>
  
 
<h2>Hashem's Promises of Retribution</h2>
 
<h2>Hashem's Promises of Retribution</h2>
<p>The Torah abounds in promises of retribution for both the wicked and righteous. Both Sefer&#160;<a href="Vayikra26-3-16" data-aht="source">Vayikra</a> and&#160;<a href="Devarim28-1-7" data-aht="source">Devarim</a> end with blessings and curses over observance of the commandments. Other individual verses promise long life, rain and abundant crops.<fn>See, for example,&#160;<a href="Shemot20-11" data-aht="source">Shemot 20:11</a>, <a href="Devarim11-13-17" data-aht="source">Devarim 11:13-17</a>,&#160; and <a href="Devarim22-6-7" data-aht="source">Devarim 22:6-7</a>,</fn>&#160; Hashem further promises not to delay the punishment of the wicked.<fn>See <a href="Devarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a>.</fn>&#160; Are these rewards and punishments aimed at the individual or the collective?<fn>On one hand many of the blessings / curses are general in nature, promising rain or drought, victory or defeat from enemies, agricultural failure/success, plagues or exile. All of these by their nature affect the collective.&#160; Nonetheless, certain verses, such as <a href="Devarim29-17-20" data-aht="source">Devarim 29:17-20</a>, explicitly refer to the individual promising that s/he specifically will receive the retribution outlined in the previous chapters.</fn>&#160; Do they refer to blessings of this world or the next?<fn>Most of the blessings are physical in nature, and appear to speak of events of this world (such as war, exile and the like). In addition, Hashem's promise not to delay punishment would seem to imply that retribution is to occur before death. Nonetheless, the more generally phrased punishments (וְיִסַּרְתִּי אֶתְכֶם אַף אָנִי שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם) or rewards (לְמַעַן יִיטַב לָךְ וְהַאֲרַכְתָּ יָמִים) could easily refer to either world.</fn>&#160; If the latter, does that mean that it is possible that an individual might not reap what is due to him in this world? If the former, why does it seems that Hashem promises but does not fulfill?&#160;</p>
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<p>The Torah abounds in promises of retribution for both the wicked and righteous. Both Sefer&#160;<a href="Vayikra26-3-16" data-aht="source">Vayikra</a> and&#160;<a href="Devarim28-1-7" data-aht="source">Devarim</a> end with blessings and curses over observance of the commandments. Other individual verses promise long life, rain and abundant crops.<fn>See, for example, <a href="Devarim11-13-17" data-aht="source">Devarim 11:13-17</a> and <a href="Devarim22-6-7" data-aht="source">Devarim 22:6-7</a>.</fn>&#160; Hashem further promises not to delay the punishment of the wicked.<fn>See <a href="Devarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a>.</fn>&#160; Are these rewards and punishments aimed at the individual or the collective?<fn>On one hand many of the blessings / curses are general in nature, promising rain / drought, victory / defeat from enemies, agricultural failure&#160; /success, plagues or exile. All of these by their nature affect the collective.&#160; Nonetheless, certain verses, such as <a href="Devarim29-17-20" data-aht="source">Devarim 29:17-20</a>, explicitly refer to the individual, promising that s/he specifically will receive the retribution outlined in the previous chapters.</fn>&#160; Do they refer to blessings of this world or the next?<fn>Most of the blessings are physical in nature, and appear to speak of events of this world (such as war, exile and the like). In addition, Hashem's promise not to delay punishment would seem to imply that retribution is to occur before death. Nonetheless, the more generally phrased punishments (וְיִסַּרְתִּי אֶתְכֶם אַף אָנִי שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם) or rewards (לְמַעַן יִיטַב לָךְ וְהַאֲרַכְתָּ יָמִים) could easily refer to either world.</fn>&#160; If the latter, does that mean that it is possible that an individual might not reap what is due to him in this world? If the former, why does it seems that Hashem promises but does not fulfill?&#160;</p>
  
 
<h2>Philosophical Issues</h2>
 
<h2>Philosophical Issues</h2>
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<li><b>Divine providence</b> – To what extent is the world run by natural order, and to what extent via Divine providence? Is there individual providence, only general providence, or neither in this world?&#160; If the former, how does work?&#160; Does everyone merit providence to the same degree?</li>
 
<li><b>Divine providence</b> – To what extent is the world run by natural order, and to what extent via Divine providence? Is there individual providence, only general providence, or neither in this world?&#160; If the former, how does work?&#160; Does everyone merit providence to the same degree?</li>
<li><b>Retribution and the World to Come</b> –&#160;What is the nature and purpose of the next world? Is it just for the soul, or for the body as well?&#160; Do individuals get their just desserts in this world or only in the next?&#160; Is there a difference between national and individual retribution? </li>
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<li><b>Retribution and the World to Come</b> –&#160;What is the nature and purpose of the next world? Is it just for the soul, or for the body as well?&#160; Do individuals get their just desserts in this world or only in the next?&#160; Is there a difference between national and individual retribution?</li>
 
<li><b>Collective and vicarious punishment</b> – Are there cases where people are punished for the sins of others? Hashem says of Himself that he is "פֹּקֵד עֲוֺן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים", suggesting that this mode of punishment must be just.&#160; Yet, such vicarious punishment would seem to be the ultimate example of "צדיק ורע לו ורשע וטוב לו".&#160; Is familial punishment unique?&#160; Why, though, should anyone suffer for crimes they did not commit?&#160; [Regarding these two issues specifically , see <a href="Philosophy:Collective Punishment" data-aht="page">Collective Punishment</a> and <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a>]</li>
 
<li><b>Collective and vicarious punishment</b> – Are there cases where people are punished for the sins of others? Hashem says of Himself that he is "פֹּקֵד עֲוֺן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים", suggesting that this mode of punishment must be just.&#160; Yet, such vicarious punishment would seem to be the ultimate example of "צדיק ורע לו ורשע וטוב לו".&#160; Is familial punishment unique?&#160; Why, though, should anyone suffer for crimes they did not commit?&#160; [Regarding these two issues specifically , see <a href="Philosophy:Collective Punishment" data-aht="page">Collective Punishment</a> and <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a>]</li>
 
<li><b>Repentance</b> – How does repentance affect retribution?&#160; Does it erase the need for punishment, or simply atone for sin?</li>
 
<li><b>Repentance</b> – How does repentance affect retribution?&#160; Does it erase the need for punishment, or simply atone for sin?</li>

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Theodicy – צדיק ורע לו

Introduction

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An Age Old Question

The question of why the wicked prosper while the righteous suffer is one of the oldest in the world.  From Moshe's question, "לָמָה הֲרֵעֹתָה לָעָם הַזֶּה",‎1 to Yirmeyahu's complaint, "מַדּוּעַ דֶּרֶךְ רְשָׁעִים צָלֵחָה ",‎2 and Kohelet's observation, " יֵשׁ צַדִּיק אֹבֵד בְּצִדְקוֹ וְיֵשׁ רָשָׁע מַאֲרִיךְ בְּרָעָתוֹ",‎3‎ the issue comes up time and again in Tanakh.4  It is Sefer Iyyov, though, which addresses the problem most fundamentally.  The entire book is devoted to understanding why the upright and God-fearing Iyyov deserved to lose his health, wealth, and loved ones. Various suggestions are made by his friends, but each is rejected.  The book's conclusion is obscure, leaving the reader unsure as to its answer to the problem.

Hashem's Promises of Retribution

The Torah abounds in promises of retribution for both the wicked and righteous. Both Sefer Vayikra and Devarim end with blessings and curses over observance of the commandments. Other individual verses promise long life, rain and abundant crops.5  Hashem further promises not to delay the punishment of the wicked.6  Are these rewards and punishments aimed at the individual or the collective?7  Do they refer to blessings of this world or the next?8  If the latter, does that mean that it is possible that an individual might not reap what is due to him in this world? If the former, why does it seems that Hashem promises but does not fulfill? 

Philosophical Issues

The question of Hashem's justice is intricately related to several other philosophical issues:

  • Divine providence – To what extent is the world run by natural order, and to what extent via Divine providence? Is there individual providence, only general providence, or neither in this world?  If the former, how does work?  Does everyone merit providence to the same degree?
  • Retribution and the World to Come – What is the nature and purpose of the next world? Is it just for the soul, or for the body as well?  Do individuals get their just desserts in this world or only in the next?  Is there a difference between national and individual retribution?
  • Collective and vicarious punishment – Are there cases where people are punished for the sins of others? Hashem says of Himself that he is "פֹּקֵד עֲוֺן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים", suggesting that this mode of punishment must be just.  Yet, such vicarious punishment would seem to be the ultimate example of "צדיק ורע לו ורשע וטוב לו".  Is familial punishment unique?  Why, though, should anyone suffer for crimes they did not commit?  [Regarding these two issues specifically , see Collective Punishment and Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?]
  • Repentance – How does repentance affect retribution?  Does it erase the need for punishment, or simply atone for sin?
  • Afflictions of Love – Chazal refer to some of the suffering of the righteous as "afflictions of love".  What does this term mean?  How does it solve the problem of innocent suffering?
  • "עם ורע לו"? – Though most people can point to cases of unfair retribution of individuals  can the same be said of the nation as a whole?  Is there such a thing as "עם ורע לו"?