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− | <p>Everyone gets their appropriate due in this world.  Though it sometimes seems as if innocent people are being punished or wicked people are being rewarded, this is only | + | Just Compensation in This World |
+ | <p>Everyone gets their appropriate due in this world.  Though it sometimes seems as if innocent people are being punished or wicked people are being rewarded, this is only because outsiders often over or under evaluate the righteousness of a person, or misunderstand the nature of the compensation.</p> | ||
<opinion>Misperception of Righteousness | <opinion>Misperception of Righteousness | ||
− | <p>People receive appropriate compensation for their deeds. A so-called wicked or righteous person might not always be what they seem.  Thus, | + | <p>People receive appropriate compensation for their deeds. A so-called wicked or righteous person might not always be what they seem.  Thus, wrong-doers might have merits that justify their rewards, while the righteous might have committed sins which justify their punishment.</p> |
<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Bavli Berakhot</a><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7a</a><a href="BavliBerakhot7b" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, first opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, first opinion in <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>,<fn>R. Bachya brings the same options brought by R. Saadia Gaon and was influenced by him.  Though R. Bachya develops the third approach further.</fn> <multilink><a href="RambanToratHaAdamShaarHaGemul" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanToratHaAdamShaarHaGemul" data-aht="source">Torat HaAdam Shaar HaGemul</a><a href="RambanVayikra26-11" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:11</a><a href="RambanDevarim11-13" data-aht="source">Devarim 11:13</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,</mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Bavli Berakhot</a><a href="BavliBerakhot7a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7a</a><a href="BavliBerakhot7b" data-aht="source">Berakhot 7b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, first opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, first opinion in <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>,<fn>R. Bachya brings the same options brought by R. Saadia Gaon and was influenced by him.  Though R. Bachya develops the third approach further.</fn> <multilink><a href="RambanToratHaAdamShaarHaGemul" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanToratHaAdamShaarHaGemul" data-aht="source">Torat HaAdam Shaar HaGemul</a><a href="RambanVayikra26-11" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:11</a><a href="RambanDevarim11-13" data-aht="source">Devarim 11:13</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,</mekorot> | ||
<point><b>צדיק ורע לו</b> – As outsiders, we can never truly know whether a person is totally righteous.  In these cases he must not be truly innocent, and Hashem is punishing him for the few sins that he committed, even if the majority of his actions were right.<fn>See also <multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Bavli Berakhot</a><a href="BavliBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 5a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink> which suggests that if bad comes on you and you cant figure out why, one should look at their deeds to see if they have done something wrong.</fn><br/> | <point><b>צדיק ורע לו</b> – As outsiders, we can never truly know whether a person is totally righteous.  In these cases he must not be truly innocent, and Hashem is punishing him for the few sins that he committed, even if the majority of his actions were right.<fn>See also <multilink><a href="BavliBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Bavli Berakhot</a><a href="BavliBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 5a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink> which suggests that if bad comes on you and you cant figure out why, one should look at their deeds to see if they have done something wrong.</fn><br/> | ||
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− | <category>Just Compensation in the World to Come | + | <category name="Compensation in the World to Come"> |
+ | Just Compensation in the World to Come | ||
<p>People do not get their just compensation in this world.  It is only in the world to come, that Hashem gives everyone their appropriate due.</p> | <p>People do not get their just compensation in this world.  It is only in the world to come, that Hashem gives everyone their appropriate due.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="TargumOnkelosDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Targum Onkelos</a><a href="TargumOnkelosDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a><a href="Targum Onkelos" data-aht="parshan">About Targum Onkelos</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SifreDevarim11-26" data-aht="source">Sifre Devarim</a><a href="SifreDevarim11-26" data-aht="source">11:26</a><a href="Sifre Devarim" data-aht="parshan">About Sifre Devarim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="YerushalmiChagigah2-1" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiChagigah2-1" data-aht="source">Chagigah 2:1</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliShabbat30b" data-aht="source">Bavli</a><a href="BavliShabbat30b" data-aht="source">Shabbat 30b</a><a href="BavliTaanit11a" data-aht="source">Taanit 11a</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliChulin142a" data-aht="source">Chulin 142a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>,<fn>According to the Bavli in Taanit, the seemingly wrong retribution is given rightfully because of minute sins or mitzvot performed, and the retribution they do deserve which is missing, will be given to them in the world to come.</fn> <multilink><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a><a href="Targum Pseudo-Jonathan" data-aht="parshan">About Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a></multilink>, second opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>,<fn>R. Saadia Gaon suggests that the true compensation might occur later in life in this world, and does not explicitly say in the world to come.  He brings as examples Iyyov and Paroh who both received at the end of their life, a reward or a punishment, respectively.</fn> second opinion in <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiDevarim32-4" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiDevarim32-4" data-aht="source">Devarim 32:4</a><a href="RashiBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 5a</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="Kuzari3-19" data-aht="source">Kuzari</a><a href="Kuzari3-19" data-aht="source">3:19</a><a href="Kuzari6-1" data-aht="source">6:1</a><a href="R. Yehuda HaLevi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda HaLevi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakHoshea14-10" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakHoshea14-10" data-aht="source">Hoshea 14:10</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DerashotHaRan8" data-aht="source">Ran</a><a href="DerashotHaRan8" data-aht="source">Derashot HaRan 8</a><a href="R. Nissim Gerondi (Ran)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Nissim Gerondi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-12" data-aht="source">Sefer HaIkkarim</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-7" data-aht="source">4:7</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-12" data-aht="source">4:12</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-13" data-aht="source">4:13</a><a href="Sefer HaIkkarim" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Albo</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelDevarim4-15-24" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim4-15-24" data-aht="source">Devarim 4:15-24</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim32-1" data-aht="source">Devarim 32:1</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>,<fn>It is not so clear from Abarbanel if a person might get an unworthy retribution in this world, or if a person only does not get all his worthy retribution (being punished only and not rewarded), similarly to the first opinion.</fn></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="TargumOnkelosDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Targum Onkelos</a><a href="TargumOnkelosDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a><a href="Targum Onkelos" data-aht="parshan">About Targum Onkelos</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SifreDevarim11-26" data-aht="source">Sifre Devarim</a><a href="SifreDevarim11-26" data-aht="source">11:26</a><a href="Sifre Devarim" data-aht="parshan">About Sifre Devarim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="YerushalmiChagigah2-1" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiChagigah2-1" data-aht="source">Chagigah 2:1</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliShabbat30b" data-aht="source">Bavli</a><a href="BavliShabbat30b" data-aht="source">Shabbat 30b</a><a href="BavliTaanit11a" data-aht="source">Taanit 11a</a><a href="BavliKiddushin40b" data-aht="source">Kiddushin 40b</a><a href="BavliChulin142a" data-aht="source">Chulin 142a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>,<fn>According to the Bavli in Taanit, the seemingly wrong retribution is given rightfully because of minute sins or mitzvot performed, and the retribution they do deserve which is missing, will be given to them in the world to come.</fn> <multilink><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a><a href="TargumPseudo-JonathanDevarim7-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 7:10</a><a href="Targum Pseudo-Jonathan" data-aht="parshan">About Targum Pseudo-Jonathan</a></multilink>, second opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>,<fn>R. Saadia Gaon suggests that the true compensation might occur later in life in this world, and does not explicitly say in the world to come.  He brings as examples Iyyov and Paroh who both received at the end of their life, a reward or a punishment, respectively.</fn> second opinion in <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiDevarim32-4" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiDevarim32-4" data-aht="source">Devarim 32:4</a><a href="RashiBerakhot5a" data-aht="source">Berakhot 5a</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="Kuzari3-19" data-aht="source">Kuzari</a><a href="Kuzari3-19" data-aht="source">3:19</a><a href="Kuzari6-1" data-aht="source">6:1</a><a href="R. Yehuda HaLevi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda HaLevi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakHoshea14-10" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakHoshea14-10" data-aht="source">Hoshea 14:10</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DerashotHaRan8" data-aht="source">Ran</a><a href="DerashotHaRan8" data-aht="source">Derashot HaRan 8</a><a href="R. Nissim Gerondi (Ran)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Nissim Gerondi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-12" data-aht="source">Sefer HaIkkarim</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-7" data-aht="source">4:7</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-12" data-aht="source">4:12</a><a href="SeferHaIkkarim4-13" data-aht="source">4:13</a><a href="Sefer HaIkkarim" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Albo</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelDevarim4-15-24" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim4-15-24" data-aht="source">Devarim 4:15-24</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim32-1" data-aht="source">Devarim 32:1</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>,<fn>It is not so clear from Abarbanel if a person might get an unworthy retribution in this world, or if a person only does not get all his worthy retribution (being punished only and not rewarded), similarly to the first opinion.</fn></mekorot> | ||
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<point><b>Afflictions of love</b> – This approach understands that Hashem sometimes afflicts out of love to the person in order to multiply their reward, and not as a punishment over a sin.</point> | <point><b>Afflictions of love</b> – This approach understands that Hashem sometimes afflicts out of love to the person in order to multiply their reward, and not as a punishment over a sin.</point> | ||
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− | <category> | + | <category>Not All Receive Just Compensation |
− | <p>People who do not merit Divine providence might not get  just compensation.  As their lives are ruled by nature, sometimes rewards or punishments are given to the undeserving. | + | <p>People who do not merit Divine providence might not get  just compensation.  As their lives are ruled by nature, sometimes rewards or punishments are given to the undeserving.</p> |
+ | <mekorot>Ralbag?</mekorot> | ||
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Version as of 22:04, 30 July 2017
Theodicy – צדיק ורע לו
Exegetical Approaches
Just Compensation in This World
Everyone gets their appropriate due in this world. Though it sometimes seems as if innocent people are being punished or wicked people are being rewarded, this is only because outsiders often over or under evaluate the righteousness of a person, or misunderstand the nature of the compensation.
Misperception of Righteousness
People receive appropriate compensation for their deeds. A so-called wicked or righteous person might not always be what they seem. Thus, wrong-doers might have merits that justify their rewards, while the righteous might have committed sins which justify their punishment.
- R. Bachya suggests that their sin could be in not convincing their generation to repent, even if they themselves did not commit any sins.
- On the other hand, Ramban says suffering can come as a punishment for a sin committed accidentally.
Misperception of Retribution
What appears to be a reward or a punishment might actually be the opposite. As such, what is construed as unjust retribution is really not so.
- Sometimes Hashem causes the righteous to suffer a little in order to avoid him from suffering a lot.
- Sometimes Hashem keeps the wicked person alive in order for them to witness an even worse punishment than they would have witnessed.
- In some cases, the good is a cause for bad, and the whole purpose really is the punishment. For example by Paroh, Hashem did not punish him in order so he will experience the splitting of the sea which was a harsher punishment than he would have received.
Just Compensation in the World to Come
People do not get their just compensation in this world. It is only in the world to come, that Hashem gives everyone their appropriate due.
- Natural order – Hasehm does not purposely wrong people, rather he lets the world act on its own, and therefore some people in this world do not deserve what happens to them.
- Test – R. Saadia explains Hashem's purpose to be a test in order to publicize the commitment of the righteous man even with all the troubles he goes through, and seeing the unworthy retribution the wrongdoer received. Hashem is testing the righteous man to see if he will continue to follow the right path even though he is compensated wrongly. He knows they will tolerate the punishment they don't deserve, and later on in their life or in the world to come, He gives them an abundance of good.
- Hashem is using the wicked man for a different purpose before he punishes him, such as to fight with a different nation.
- The righteous man is suffering over the sins of his generation, or of his ancestors, and not his own sins.
Not All Receive Just Compensation
People who do not merit Divine providence might not get just compensation. As their lives are ruled by nature, sometimes rewards or punishments are given to the undeserving.