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<opinion>Misperception of Retribution | <opinion>Misperception of Retribution | ||
<p>People aren't actually getting what they seem to be getting.  What seems to us to be a reward or a punishment might not actually be one.</p> | <p>People aren't actually getting what they seem to be getting.  What seems to us to be a reward or a punishment might not actually be one.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot>Third opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-5" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-5" data-aht="source">Milchamot HaShem 4:5</a><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-6" data-aht="source">Milchamot HaShem 4:6</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,</mekorot> | + | <mekorot>Third opinion in <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonHaEmunotVeHaDeiot5-2-3" data-aht="source">HaEmunot VeHaDeiot 5:2-3</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">Chovot HaLevavot</a><a href="ChovotHaLevavot4-3" data-aht="source">4:3</a><a href="Chovot HaLevavot" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya ibn Pakuda</a></multilink>, third opinion in <multilink><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-5" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-5" data-aht="source">Milchamot HaShem 4:5</a><a href="RalbagMilchamotHaShem4-6" data-aht="source">Milchamot HaShem 4:6</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,</mekorot> |
<point><b>צדיק ורע לו</b><ul> | <point><b>צדיק ורע לו</b><ul> | ||
<li>Sometimes Hashem causes the righteous to suffer a little in order to avoid him from suffering a lot.</li> | <li>Sometimes Hashem causes the righteous to suffer a little in order to avoid him from suffering a lot.</li> | ||
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<point><b>Moral justification</b> – In the world to come, Hashem will give the real reward to the righteous and the real punishment to the wicked.</point> | <point><b>Moral justification</b> – In the world to come, Hashem will give the real reward to the righteous and the real punishment to the wicked.</point> | ||
<point><b>Hashem's providence</b> – According to this approach, Hashem provides on a national level, and not for each individual person.</point> | <point><b>Hashem's providence</b> – According to this approach, Hashem provides on a national level, and not for each individual person.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Purposes of the Egyptian bondage</b> – This approach can understand the Egyptian bondage to | + | <point><b>Purposes of the Egyptian bondage</b> – This approach can understand the Egyptian bondage to have an educative or formative purpose rather than being a punishment for a sin.</point> |
<point><b>Why does Hashem do this?</b><ul> | <point><b>Why does Hashem do this?</b><ul> | ||
<li>Natural order – Hasehm does not purposely wrong people, rather he lets the world act on its own, and therefore some people in this world do not deserve what happens to them.</li> | <li>Natural order – Hasehm does not purposely wrong people, rather he lets the world act on its own, and therefore some people in this world do not deserve what happens to them.</li> |
Version as of 02:10, 20 July 2017
Theodicy – צדיק ורע לו
Exegetical Approaches
Compensation in This World
This approach denies the question saying that there are no cases of innocent people being punished or wicked people being rewarded. In all such seeming cases, one needs to reevaluate either the person's righteousness or their compensation.
Mistaken Status of Person
People don't deserve what they seem to deserve. A man might seem to be righteous or wicked, however, he might not always actually be so, and Hashem is really paying him his true due that he deserves.
- R. Bachya suggests that their sin could be in not convincing their generation to repent, even if they themselves did not commit any sins.
- On the other hand, Ramban says suffering can come as a punishment for a sin committed accidentally.
Misperception of Retribution
People aren't actually getting what they seem to be getting. What seems to us to be a reward or a punishment might not actually be one.
- Sometimes Hashem causes the righteous to suffer a little in order to avoid him from suffering a lot.
- Sometimes Hashem keeps the wicked person alive in order for them to witness an even worse punishment than they would have witnessed.
- In some cases, the good is a cause for bad, and the whole purpose really is the punishment. For example by Paroh, Hashem did not punish him in order so he will experience the splitting of the sea which was a harsher punishment than he would have received.
Compensation in the World to Come
The righteous or wicked man is really not worthy of the retribution they received in this world. However, in the world to come, Hashem ensures they receive their worthy compensation.
- Natural order – Hasehm does not purposely wrong people, rather he lets the world act on its own, and therefore some people in this world do not deserve what happens to them.
- Test – The bad events which occur to the righteous man are not intended as a punishment, rather as a test. Hashem knows they will tolerate the punishments even though they don't deserve them, and as a result, He gives them an abundance of good in the future or in the world to come. To publicize the commitment of the righteous man to Hashem even with all the troubles he goes through.
- Hashem is using the wicked man for a different purpose before he punishes him, such as to fight with a different nation.