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Great Prophets: Obedient or Independent?
 
Great Prophets: Obedient or Independent?
<p>Which prophet is at a higher level: one who simply follows Divine orders, or one who takes initiatives without prior consultation with Hashem?</p>
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<p>Which prophet is at a higher level: one who simply follows Divine orders or one who takes initiatives without prior consultation with Hashem?</p>
 
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<li>In trying to uncover Moshe and Aharon's sin at Mei Merivah,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefAlboSeferHaIkkarim4-22" data-aht="source">R"Y Albo</a><a href="RYosefAlboSeferHaIkkarim4-22" data-aht="source">Sefer HaIkkarim 4:22</a><a href="Sefer HaIkkarim" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Albo</a></multilink> points to their running to the Tent of Meeting to consult with Hashem rather than immediately quelling the nation's murmurings by invoking a miracle on their own. He claims that this caused a lack of faith in one of the central tenets of Torah, a prophet's power to act above nature.&#160;</li>
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<li>In trying to uncover&#160;<a href="Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah" data-aht="page">Moshe and Aharon's sin</a> at Mei Merivah,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefAlboSeferHaIkkarim4-22" data-aht="source">R"Y Albo</a><a href="RYosefAlboSeferHaIkkarim4-22" data-aht="source">Sefer HaIkkarim 4:22</a><a href="Sefer HaIkkarim" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Albo</a></multilink> points to their running to the Tent of Meeting to consult with Hashem rather than immediately quelling the nation's murmurings by invoking a miracle on their own. He claims that this caused a lack of faith in one of the central tenets of Torah, a prophet's power to act above nature.&#160;</li>
 
<li>What in the text supports this suggestion? Do you agree that going to the Tent of Meeting was problematic?&#160; When is consultation the appropriate response to crisis?&#160; When is it preferable to take matters into your own hands?&#160;</li>
 
<li>What in the text supports this suggestion? Do you agree that going to the Tent of Meeting was problematic?&#160; When is consultation the appropriate response to crisis?&#160; When is it preferable to take matters into your own hands?&#160;</li>
 
<li>Can a prophet really bring a miracle on his or her own?&#160; What examples from Tanakh might suggest that they can? Are all prophets equal in this regard?&#160;</li>
 
<li>Can a prophet really bring a miracle on his or her own?&#160; What examples from Tanakh might suggest that they can? Are all prophets equal in this regard?&#160;</li>
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<category>Sichon and Og: Telling and Retelling
 
<category>Sichon and Og: Telling and Retelling
<p>The original description of the conquest of Sichon and Og in Bemidbar differs significantly from Moshe's retelling in Devarim.</p>
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<p>The original description of the conquest of Sichon and Og in Bemidbar differs markedly from Moshe's retelling in Devarim.&#160; See <a href="Battles with Sichon and Og in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">Battles with Sichon and Og in Bemidbar and Devarim</a>.</p><ul>
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<li>Compare the two accounts and list the differences.&#160; Which points appear only in Bemidbar? What details are highlighted in Devarim?&#160; What message might Moshe be trying to relay to the nation in Sefer Devarim which prompts him to retell the story in the way that he does?</li>
<li>Compare the two accounts and list the differences.&#160; Which points appear only in Bemidbar? What details are highlighted in Devarim?&#160; What message might Moshe be trying to relay to the nation in Sefer Devarim, which prompt him to retell the story in the way that he does?</li>
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<li>How does Moshe's message in recounting the battle of Sichon relate to the overall objectives of his historical speech in the opening chapters of Sefer Devarim and especially to his retelling of the debacle of the Spies?<fn>For a comparison of the story of the spies in Bemidbar and Devarim and how the differences shed light on Moshe's messages to the new generation, see <a href="The Story of the Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">The Story of the Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim</a>.</fn></li>
<li>How does Moshe's message in recounting the battle of Sichon relate to the overall objectives of his historical speech in the opening chapters of Sefer Devarim, and especially to his retelling of the debacle of the Spies?<fn>For a comparison of the story of the spies in Bemidbar and Devarim and how the differences shed light on Moshe's messages to the new generation, see <a href="The Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">The Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim</a>.</fn></li>
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<li>Is it problematic to say that Moshe intentionally recasts history to promote an agenda? </li>
<li>Is it problematic to say that Moshe intentionally recasts history to promote an agenda?</li>
 
 
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<p>For more, see <a href="Battles with Sichon and Og in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">Battles with Sichon and Og in Bemidbar and Devarim</a>.</p>
 
 
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<category>Criticizing Moshe
 
<category>Criticizing Moshe
<p>Commentators mine almost every word of the story of Moshe hitting the rock in Mei Merivah to establish where he erred and why he was punished so severely.&#160; Thus, Moshe is accused of everything from lack of faith (<multilink><a href="RashbamBemidbar20-10" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamBemidbar20-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 20:10</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>) to excessive anger (<multilink><a href="RambamShemonahPerakimChapter4" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamShemonahPerakimChapter4" data-aht="source">Shemonah Perakim Chapter 4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink>) and faulty leadership (<multilink><a href="AvvatNefeshCommentaryonIbnEzraBemidbar20-8" data-aht="source">Avvat Nefesh</a><a href="AvvatNefeshCommentaryonIbnEzraBemidbar20-8" data-aht="source">Avvat Nefesh, Commentary on Ibn Ezra Bemidbar 20:8</a></multilink>).&#160;&#160;<multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar20-11-12" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBemidbar20-11-12" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 20:11-12</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink> and others further blame him for not sanctifying Hashem's name and causing the nation to doubt Hashem's capabilities.</p>
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<p>Commentators mine almost every word of the story of Moshe hitting the rock in&#160;<a href="Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah" data-aht="page">Mei Merivah</a> to establish where he erred and why he was punished so severely.&#160; Thus, Moshe is accused of everything from lack of faith (<multilink><a href="RashbamBemidbar20-10" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamBemidbar20-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 20:10</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>) to excessive anger (<multilink><a href="RambamShemonahPerakimChapter4" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamShemonahPerakimChapter4" data-aht="source">Shemonah Perakim Chapter 4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink>) and faulty leadership (<multilink><a href="AvvatNefeshCommentaryonIbnEzraBemidbar20-8" data-aht="source">Avvat Nefesh</a><a href="AvvatNefeshCommentaryonIbnEzraBemidbar20-8" data-aht="source">Avvat Nefesh, Commentary on Ibn Ezra Bemidbar 20:8</a></multilink>).&#160;&#160;<multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar20-11-12" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBemidbar20-11-12" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 20:11-12</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink> and others further blame him for not sanctifying Hashem's name and causing the nation to doubt Hashem's capabilities.</p>
 
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<li>Can you bring evidence to support each of the above possibilities?&#160; Which do you find most compelling and why?&#160; Which of the proposed sins would warrant the harsh punishment received by Moshe?</li>
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<li>Bring evidence to support each of the above possibilities.&#160; Which is most compelling and why?&#160; Which of the proposed sins would warrant the harsh punishment received by Moshe?</li>
<li>Does Moshe manifest any of the above problematic traits elsewhere?&#160; Why was he not punished in those instances?</li>
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<li>Does Moshe elsewhere manifest any of the above problematic traits?&#160; Why was he not punished in those instances?</li>
<li>Though our chapter clearly testifies to Moshe's having erred, is it problematic to suggest specific criticisms of Moshe's leadership which the text does not make explicit?&#160; Should we place Moshe on a pedestal and attempt to explain away any perceived fault, or is it legitimate to attribute to him some human failings?<fn>Some similar issues come up in the study of the stories of the Avot.&#160; See for example: <a href="Endangering Sarai in Egypt" data-aht="page">Endangering Sarai in Egypt</a>, <a href="Banishment of Hagar and Yishmael" data-aht="page">Banishment of Hagar and Yishmael</a>, <a href="Sale of the Birthright – A Fair Deal" data-aht="page">Sale of the Birthright – A Fair Deal?</a>, and <a href="Yaakov's Taking of the Blessing" data-aht="page">Yaakov's Taking of the Blessing</a>.</fn></li>
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<li>Though the chapter clearly testifies to Moshe's having erred, is it problematic to suggest specific criticisms of Moshe's leadership which the text does not make explicit?&#160; Should we place Moshe on a pedestal and attempt to explain away any perceived fault, or is it legitimate to attribute to him some human failings?<fn>Some similar issues come up in the study of the stories of the Avot.&#160; See for example: <a href="Endangering Sarai in Egypt" data-aht="page">Endangering Sarai in Egypt</a>, <a href="Banishment of Hagar and Yishmael" data-aht="page">Banishment of Hagar and Yishmael</a>, <a href="Sale of the Birthright – A Fair Deal" data-aht="page">Sale of the Birthright – A Fair Deal</a>, and <a href="Yaakov's Taking of the Blessing" data-aht="page">Yaakov's Taking of the Blessing</a>.</fn></li>
 
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<p>See <a href="Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah" data-aht="page">Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah</a> for further discussion.</p>
 
<p>See <a href="Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah" data-aht="page">Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah</a> for further discussion.</p>
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<p>For more, see: <a href="Parashat Chukkat/TopicList" data-aht="page">Parashat Chukkat Topics</a>.</p>
 
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Latest revision as of 10:12, 10 September 2019

Shabbat Table Topics – Parashat Chukkat

Great Prophets: Obedient or Independent?

Which prophet is at a higher level: one who simply follows Divine orders or one who takes initiatives without prior consultation with Hashem?

  • In trying to uncover Moshe and Aharon's sin at Mei Merivah, R"Y AlboSefer HaIkkarim 4:22About R. Yosef Albo points to their running to the Tent of Meeting to consult with Hashem rather than immediately quelling the nation's murmurings by invoking a miracle on their own. He claims that this caused a lack of faith in one of the central tenets of Torah, a prophet's power to act above nature. 
  • What in the text supports this suggestion? Do you agree that going to the Tent of Meeting was problematic?  When is consultation the appropriate response to crisis?  When is it preferable to take matters into your own hands? 
  • Can a prophet really bring a miracle on his or her own?  What examples from Tanakh might suggest that they can? Are all prophets equal in this regard? 

For elaboration see Moshe's Misstep and Mei MerivahProphetic Actions Without Explicit Divine Sanction, and the opinion of Abarbanel in Moshe's Epitaph – Signs and Wonders.

Sichon and Og: Telling and Retelling

The original description of the conquest of Sichon and Og in Bemidbar differs markedly from Moshe's retelling in Devarim.  See Battles with Sichon and Og in Bemidbar and Devarim.

  • Compare the two accounts and list the differences.  Which points appear only in Bemidbar? What details are highlighted in Devarim?  What message might Moshe be trying to relay to the nation in Sefer Devarim which prompts him to retell the story in the way that he does?
  • How does Moshe's message in recounting the battle of Sichon relate to the overall objectives of his historical speech in the opening chapters of Sefer Devarim and especially to his retelling of the debacle of the Spies?1
  • Is it problematic to say that Moshe intentionally recasts history to promote an agenda?

Criticizing Moshe

Commentators mine almost every word of the story of Moshe hitting the rock in Mei Merivah to establish where he erred and why he was punished so severely.  Thus, Moshe is accused of everything from lack of faith (RashbamBemidbar 20:10About R. Shemuel b. Meir) to excessive anger (RambamShemonah Perakim Chapter 4About R. Moshe b. Maimon) and faulty leadership (Avvat NefeshAvvat Nefesh, Commentary on Ibn Ezra Bemidbar 20:8).  RashiBemidbar 20:11-12About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki and others further blame him for not sanctifying Hashem's name and causing the nation to doubt Hashem's capabilities.

  • Bring evidence to support each of the above possibilities.  Which is most compelling and why?  Which of the proposed sins would warrant the harsh punishment received by Moshe?
  • Does Moshe elsewhere manifest any of the above problematic traits?  Why was he not punished in those instances?
  • Though the chapter clearly testifies to Moshe's having erred, is it problematic to suggest specific criticisms of Moshe's leadership which the text does not make explicit?  Should we place Moshe on a pedestal and attempt to explain away any perceived fault, or is it legitimate to attribute to him some human failings?2

See Moshe's Misstep and Mei Merivah for further discussion.

More...

For more, see: Parashat Chukkat Topics.