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<category>Identical Tallies
 
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<p>Parashat Ki Tisa opens with a command to count the nation via half shekels.&#160; Surprisingly, the head count reached by this census is identical to the tally of the census in <a href="Bemidbar1-46" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 1</a> which took place only in the second year in the Wilderness.</p>
<category>Sins of the Parents
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<p>Why, at times, are the righteous punished while sinners prosper?&#160; The verse "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים" appears to suggest that, at least in certain circumstances,&#160; Hashem Himself allows innocent children to be punished while their sinful parents go free.</p>
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<li>How can this be?&#160; Were there no deaths or births in the interim?&#160; Moreover, considering that only a few months separated the two events, why were two censuses necessary at all?</li>
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<li><multilink><a href="UCassutoShemot38-25" data-aht="source">U. Cassuto</a><a href="UCassutoShemot38-25" data-aht="source">Shemot 38:25</a><a href="Prof. Umberto Cassuto" data-aht="parshan">About Prof. Umberto Cassuto</a></multilink>&#160;uses knowledge of Ancient Near Eastern censuses to suggest that&#160; the two events were were both part of a single extended process which started when the Tabernacle was being constructed and continued through the second month of the second year.&#160;&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot38-25" data-aht="source">R"Y Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot38-25" data-aht="source">Shemot 38:25</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> agrees that there was only one census, but suggests that it occurred only in the beginning of the second year in Bemidbar 1.&#160; He claims that the half shekels of Parashat Ki Tisa played no role in counting the nation and were solely for the building of the Mishkan.&#160; What are the advantages and disadvantages to each approach?&#160; See <a href="Censuses in the Wilderness" data-aht="page">Censuses in the Wilderness</a> and <a href="Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle" data-aht="page">Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle?</a></li>
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<category>Polemics and Parshanut
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<p>Commentators' positions on Biblical&#160; issues are influenced by numerous factors including their reading of the text, theological and philosophical concerns, the events of their own day, and polemics with other sects or religions.</p>
 
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<li>How does this manifest Divine justice?&#160; Is there any other way of understanding the verse?</li>
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<li>See&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot32-25" data-aht="source">R"Y Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot32-1" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:1</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot32-25" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:25</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> on the <a href="Sin of the Golden Calf" data-aht="page">Sin of the Golden Calf</a> where he explicitly argues with the "nations who mock" Israel for failing and sinning with the Calf, and note how his position might come to counter such claims.&#160; See also <multilink><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryShemot30-11" data-aht="source">R. Saadia Gaon</a><a href="RSaadiaGaonCommentaryShemot30-11" data-aht="source">Commentary Shemot 30:11</a><a href="R. Saadia Gaon" data-aht="parshan">About R. Saadia Gaon</a></multilink> on <a href="Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle" data-aht="page">Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle</a> whose position that there is an annual Biblical obligation to bring half shekels to support the Mikdash may be reacting to opposing Karaite claims.</li>
<li>When, if ever, is collective punishment justified?&#160; Can the same reasoning apply to vicarious punishment (when one is punished in place of another)?&#160; Does the fact that the verse speaks of inter-familial punishment make a difference?</li>
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<li>A point to ponder: Does the fact that an approach is polemically motivated make it less valid or intellectually rigorous than one which is influenced by the text alone?</li>
<li>For extensive discussion of the issue, see <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a></li>
 
 
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<category>In Defense of Aharon
 
<category>In Defense of Aharon
<p>How could the nation, and especially Aharon, blunder with the <a href="Sin of the Golden Calf" data-aht="page">Sin of the Golden Calf</a> so soon after revelation?&#160; Is it possible that Aharon could have really been involved in an idolatrous rite?&#160; If so, how could he have been rewarded with the priesthood so soon afterwards?</p>
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<p>How could the nation, and especially Aharon, blunder by making a golden calf so soon after the revelation at Sinai?&#160; Is it possible that Aharon could have really been involved in an idolatrous rite?&#160; If so, how could he have been rewarded with the priesthood so soon afterwards?</p>
 
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<li>Set up a debate at your Shabbat table, with some defending and others prosecuting Aharon for his actions.</li>
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<li>Set up a debate at your Shabbat table, with some defending and others prosecuting Aharon for his actions.&#160; For starters, see <a href="Sin of the Golden Calf" data-aht="page">Sin of the Golden Calf</a>.</li>
 
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<li>Did the nation sin by believing in foreign gods, or, as the Kuzari suggests, did they simply err in making a graven image, even though it was meant to represent God Himself?&#160; R"Y Bekhor Shor raises a third possibility that people were simply looking for an alternative guide to replace the lost Moshe, and that there was no sin against God at all.&#160; Which of these approaches do you find most convincing and best supported by the text?&#160; How would each position explain Aharon's actions?</li>
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<li>Did the nation sin by believing in foreign gods, or, as the&#160;<multilink><a href="Kuzari1-97" data-aht="source">Kuzari</a><a href="Kuzari1-97" data-aht="source">1:97</a><a href="R. Yehuda HaLevi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda HaLevi</a></multilink> suggests, did they simply err in making a graven image, even though it was meant to represent God Himself?&#160; See also&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot32-1" data-aht="source">R"Y Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot32-1" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:1</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> for a third possibility that people were simply looking for an alternative guide to replace the lost Moshe, and that there was no sin against God at all.&#160; Which of these approaches do you find most convincing and best supported by the text?&#160; How would each position explain Aharon's actions?</li>
 
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<category>Prophetic Authority
<p>Parashat Ki Tisa opens with a command to count the nation via half shekels.&#160; Somewhat surprisingly, the head count provided by this census is identical to the tally reached during the census in Bemidbar 1, which occurred a few months later.</p>
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<p>In the aftermath of the sin of the Golden Calf, Moshe commands the Levites in the name of Hashem to kill all idolaters (<a href="Shemot32-27" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:27</a>). However, no record exists of any such explicit Divine command to Moshe.</p>
 
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<li>How can this be?&#160; Were there no deaths or births in the interim?&#160; Moreover, considering that only a few months separated the two events, why were two censuses necessary at all?</li>
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<li>Is it possible for a prophet to speak on his own initiative, and to then attribute that speech to Hashem? Or must we assume that, despite the textual silence, Hashem must have given the directions beforehand?&#160; Might Moshe be different than other prophets in this regard?</li>
<li>U. Cassuto uses knowledge of Ancient Near Eastern censuses to suggest that&#160; the two events were were both part of a single extended process which started with the building of the Tabernacle.&#160; R"Y Bekhor Shor agrees that there was but one census, but suggests that it occurred only in the beginning of the second year in Bemidbar 1.&#160; He claims that the half shekels of Parashat Ki Tisa played no role in counting the nation and were solely for the building of the Mishkan.&#160; What are the advantages and disadvantages to each approach?&#160;</li>
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<li>How much autonomy does a prophet have? Is he simply Hashem's mouthpiece, or is he allowed to act on his own? If the latter, is it possible for the prophet to make a mistake? See <a href="Invoking Hashem's Name Without Explicit Divine Sanction" data-aht="page">Invoking Hashem's Name Without Explicit Divine Sanction</a>.</li>
<li>See <a href="Censuses in the Wilderness" data-aht="page">Censuses in the Wilderness</a> and <a href="Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle" data-aht="page">Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle?</a></li>
 
 
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<category>Sins of the Parents
<p>Commentators' positions on Biblical&#160; issues are influenced by numerous factors including their reading of the text, theological or philosophical concerns, the events of their own day, and polemics with other sects or religions.</p>
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<p>Why, at times, are the righteous punished while sinners prosper?&#160; The verse "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים" appears to suggest that, at least in certain circumstances, Hashem Himself allows innocent children to be punished while their sinful parents go free.</p>
 
<ul>
 
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<li>See R"Y Bekhor Shor on the <a href="Sin of the Golden Calf" data-aht="page">Sin of the Golden Calf</a> where he explicitly argues with the "heretics" who mock Israel for failing and sinning with the Calf and note how his position might come to counter such claims.&#160; See also&#160; R. Saadia Gaon on <a href="Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle" data-aht="page">Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle?</a> whose position that there is an annual&#160; obligation to bring half shekels to support the Mikdash might be&#160; reaction to Karaitic claims to the contrary.</li>
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<li>How does this manifest Divine justice?&#160; Is there any other way of understanding the verse?</li>
<li>Does the fact that an approach is polemically motivated make it less valid or intellectually honest than one which is influenced by the text alone?</li>
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<li>When, if ever, is collective punishment justified?&#160; Can the same reasoning apply to vicarious punishment?&#160; Does the fact that the verse speaks of punishment within the family make a difference?</li>
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<li>For extensive discussion of the issue, see <a href="Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins" data-aht="page">Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?</a></li>
 
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<p>For more, see: <a href="Parashat Ki Tisa/TopicList" data-aht="page">Parashat Ki Tisa Topics</a>.</p>
 
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Latest revision as of 07:15, 23 August 2019

Shabbat Table Topics – Parashat Ki Tisa

Identical Tallies

Parashat Ki Tisa opens with a command to count the nation via half shekels.  Surprisingly, the head count reached by this census is identical to the tally of the census in Bemidbar 1 which took place only in the second year in the Wilderness.

  • How can this be?  Were there no deaths or births in the interim?  Moreover, considering that only a few months separated the two events, why were two censuses necessary at all?
  • U. CassutoShemot 38:25About Prof. Umberto Cassuto uses knowledge of Ancient Near Eastern censuses to suggest that  the two events were were both part of a single extended process which started when the Tabernacle was being constructed and continued through the second month of the second year.  R"Y Bekhor ShorShemot 38:25About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor agrees that there was only one census, but suggests that it occurred only in the beginning of the second year in Bemidbar 1.  He claims that the half shekels of Parashat Ki Tisa played no role in counting the nation and were solely for the building of the Mishkan.  What are the advantages and disadvantages to each approach?  See Censuses in the Wilderness and Half Shekels – For Census or Tabernacle?

Polemics and Parshanut

Commentators' positions on Biblical  issues are influenced by numerous factors including their reading of the text, theological and philosophical concerns, the events of their own day, and polemics with other sects or religions.

In Defense of Aharon

How could the nation, and especially Aharon, blunder by making a golden calf so soon after the revelation at Sinai?  Is it possible that Aharon could have really been involved in an idolatrous rite?  If so, how could he have been rewarded with the priesthood so soon afterwards?

  • Set up a debate at your Shabbat table, with some defending and others prosecuting Aharon for his actions.  For starters, see Sin of the Golden Calf.
  • Did the nation sin by believing in foreign gods, or, as the Kuzari1:97About R. Yehuda HaLevi suggests, did they simply err in making a graven image, even though it was meant to represent God Himself?  See also R"Y Bekhor ShorShemot 32:1About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor for a third possibility that people were simply looking for an alternative guide to replace the lost Moshe, and that there was no sin against God at all.  Which of these approaches do you find most convincing and best supported by the text?  How would each position explain Aharon's actions?

Prophetic Authority

In the aftermath of the sin of the Golden Calf, Moshe commands the Levites in the name of Hashem to kill all idolaters (Shemot 32:27). However, no record exists of any such explicit Divine command to Moshe.

  • Is it possible for a prophet to speak on his own initiative, and to then attribute that speech to Hashem? Or must we assume that, despite the textual silence, Hashem must have given the directions beforehand?  Might Moshe be different than other prophets in this regard?
  • How much autonomy does a prophet have? Is he simply Hashem's mouthpiece, or is he allowed to act on his own? If the latter, is it possible for the prophet to make a mistake? See Invoking Hashem's Name Without Explicit Divine Sanction.

Sins of the Parents

Why, at times, are the righteous punished while sinners prosper?  The verse "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים" appears to suggest that, at least in certain circumstances, Hashem Himself allows innocent children to be punished while their sinful parents go free.

  • How does this manifest Divine justice?  Is there any other way of understanding the verse?
  • When, if ever, is collective punishment justified?  Can the same reasoning apply to vicarious punishment?  Does the fact that the verse speaks of punishment within the family make a difference?
  • For extensive discussion of the issue, see Are Children Punished for Parents' Sins?

More...

For more, see: Parashat Ki Tisa Topics.