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<p>Did the spies really travel from the Wilderness of Zin all the way to Israel's northern border, evaluating the country's main cities, fortifications, and water sources along the way, then return to Moshe, all in less than forty days?</p> | <p>Did the spies really travel from the Wilderness of Zin all the way to Israel's northern border, evaluating the country's main cities, fortifications, and water sources along the way, then return to Moshe, all in less than forty days?</p> | ||
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| − | <li>בעוד ש<multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar13-21-2225" data-aht="source">רש"י</a><a href="RashiBemidbar13-21-2225" data-aht="source">במדבר י"ג:כ"א-כ"ב, כ"ה</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' שלמה יצחקי</a></multilink>asserts that the spies had Divine assistance which hastened  their pace and allowed them to explore the entire land, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar13-1721-22" data-aht="source">נצי"ב</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar13-1721-22" data-aht="source">במדבר י"ג:י"ז,כ"א- כ"ב</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' נפתלי צבי יהודה ברלין</a></multilink> claims that the spies scouted in pairs, dividing up the country between them.  Some modern scholars,<fn> | + | <li>בעוד ש<multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar13-21-2225" data-aht="source">רש"י</a><a href="RashiBemidbar13-21-2225" data-aht="source">במדבר י"ג:כ"א-כ"ב, כ"ה</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' שלמה יצחקי</a></multilink>asserts that the spies had Divine assistance which hastened  their pace and allowed them to explore the entire land, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar13-1721-22" data-aht="source">נצי"ב</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar13-1721-22" data-aht="source">במדבר י"ג:י"ז,כ"א- כ"ב</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' נפתלי צבי יהודה ברלין</a></multilink> claims that the spies scouted in pairs, dividing up the country between them.  Some modern scholars,<fn>ראו ר"י בן-נון, "<a href="http://herzogpress.herzog.ac.il/gilayon.asp?gilh=%D7%96&ktav=1&gil=7">משא אגג - חטא שאול בעמלק</a>", מגדים ז' (תשמ"ט) עמ' 53.</fn> in contrast, suggest that the spies scouted only the southern region of the land, as that would have been their first stop during the Conquest.</li> |
<li>Which verses support each position? Which are difficult?</li> | <li>Which verses support each position? Which are difficult?</li> | ||
<li>How do the different positions shed light on the nature of the Spies' sin as a whole?  How might our evaluation of the spies differ if Chevron was the sole city visited rather than merely one stop of many?  What difference would it make if only one or two of the spies encountered the giants or if all of them did?  ראו <a href="The Spies – Where Did They Tour" data-aht="page">המרגלים – לאן הלכו?</a></li> | <li>How do the different positions shed light on the nature of the Spies' sin as a whole?  How might our evaluation of the spies differ if Chevron was the sole city visited rather than merely one stop of many?  What difference would it make if only one or two of the spies encountered the giants or if all of them did?  ראו <a href="The Spies – Where Did They Tour" data-aht="page">המרגלים – לאן הלכו?</a></li> | ||
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<li>השוו סיפורי המרגלים בפרשות שלח ודברים. What differences do you note?  Which are the most troubling? How might you explain them?</li> | <li>השוו סיפורי המרגלים בפרשות שלח ודברים. What differences do you note?  Which are the most troubling? How might you explain them?</li> | ||
<li>Some commentators suggest that Moshe, at times, purposefully recasts past events when telling them to the nation in the fortieth year in order to best get across his farewell messages. What do you think is Moshe's main agenda in retelling the story of the Spies to the new generation?  How might that account for the discrepancies?</li> | <li>Some commentators suggest that Moshe, at times, purposefully recasts past events when telling them to the nation in the fortieth year in order to best get across his farewell messages. What do you think is Moshe's main agenda in retelling the story of the Spies to the new generation?  How might that account for the discrepancies?</li> | ||
| − | <li>Others suggest that the two books simply tell the same story from different perspectives. Thus, in our case, ר' מדן<fn> | + | <li>Others suggest that the two books simply tell the same story from different perspectives. Thus, in our case, ר' מדן<fn>ראו ר"י מדן, "<a href="http://www.herzog.ac.il/tvunot/fulltext/mega10_medan.pdf">בכייה לשעה ובכייה לדורות</a>"‎, מגדים י' (תש"נ): עמ' 37-21.</fn> suggests that the spies had a dual mission, both a military reconnaissance mission as well as a surveying mission to determine tribal inheritances.  While Devarim focuses on the former, Bemidbar highlights the latter.  How might this approach explain the discrepancies between the accounts? </li> |
<li>Which of the above approaches do you prefer?  How might they be applied to other stories?  לפרטים, ראו <a href="The Story of the Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">סיפור המרגלים בבמדבר ובדברים</a>.  לדוגמאות אחרות of varying accounts, ראו <a href="Appointing Moshe's Assistants" data-aht="page">מינוי העוזרים של משה</a> ו<a href="Decalogue Differences Between Shemot and Devarim" data-aht="page">הבדלים בעשרת הדברים בין שמות ודברים</a>.</li> | <li>Which of the above approaches do you prefer?  How might they be applied to other stories?  לפרטים, ראו <a href="The Story of the Spies in Bemidbar and Devarim" data-aht="page">סיפור המרגלים בבמדבר ובדברים</a>.  לדוגמאות אחרות of varying accounts, ראו <a href="Appointing Moshe's Assistants" data-aht="page">מינוי העוזרים של משה</a> ו<a href="Decalogue Differences Between Shemot and Devarim" data-aht="page">הבדלים בעשרת הדברים בין שמות ודברים</a>.</li> | ||
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Version as of 11:43, 27 August 2019
נושאים לשולחן שבת – פרשת שלח
מסלול המרגלים ודיווחם
Did the spies really travel from the Wilderness of Zin all the way to Israel's northern border, evaluating the country's main cities, fortifications, and water sources along the way, then return to Moshe, all in less than forty days?
- בעוד שרש"יasserts that the spies had Divine assistance which hastened their pace and allowed them to explore the entire land, נצי"ב claims that the spies scouted in pairs, dividing up the country between them. Some modern scholars,1 in contrast, suggest that the spies scouted only the southern region of the land, as that would have been their first stop during the Conquest.
- Which verses support each position? Which are difficult?
- How do the different positions shed light on the nature of the Spies' sin as a whole? How might our evaluation of the spies differ if Chevron was the sole city visited rather than merely one stop of many? What difference would it make if only one or two of the spies encountered the giants or if all of them did? ראו המרגלים – לאן הלכו?
"פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבֹת"
When praying for the nation after the sin of the spies, Moshe mentions the attributes of Hashem, including that He is "פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים". נראה כי הפסוק "פֹקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עָל בָּנִים" מרמז כי לפחות בנסיבות מסוימות, ה' עצמו מעניש ילדים חפים מפשע בזמן שהוריהם החוטאים אינם מקבלים כל עונש.
- כיצד דבר זה מבטא צדק א-לוהי? Moreover, why would Moshe mention such an attribute as part of a plea for forgiveness? Is there any way to interpret the phrase as an attribute of mercy?
- מתי, אם בכלל, עונש קולקטיבי מוצדק? האם אותו נימוק יכול לחול גם על ענישה עקיפה? האם העובדה שהפסוק מדבר דווקא על ענישה בתוך המשפחה מהווה הבדל כלשהו?
- לדיון נרחב בנושא זה, ראו האם ה' פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבֹת עַל בָּנִים?
סיפורים סותרים
Several episodes in Torah found in Shemot or Bemidbar are then also recounted by Moshe in Devarim. Often these accounts differ on key points, and in some case even appear to contradict each other. How are we to understand the variations?
- השוו סיפורי המרגלים בפרשות שלח ודברים. What differences do you note? Which are the most troubling? How might you explain them?
- Some commentators suggest that Moshe, at times, purposefully recasts past events when telling them to the nation in the fortieth year in order to best get across his farewell messages. What do you think is Moshe's main agenda in retelling the story of the Spies to the new generation? How might that account for the discrepancies?
- Others suggest that the two books simply tell the same story from different perspectives. Thus, in our case, ר' מדן2 suggests that the spies had a dual mission, both a military reconnaissance mission as well as a surveying mission to determine tribal inheritances. While Devarim focuses on the former, Bemidbar highlights the latter. How might this approach explain the discrepancies between the accounts?
- Which of the above approaches do you prefer? How might they be applied to other stories? לפרטים, ראו סיפור המרגלים בבמדבר ובדברים. לדוגמאות אחרות of varying accounts, ראו מינוי העוזרים של משה והבדלים בעשרת הדברים בין שמות ודברים.
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לעוד נושאים בפרשה, ראו: רשימת נושאים – פרשת שלח.
