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<q xml:lang="en">'It repenteth Me that I have set up Saul to be king; for he is turned back from following Me, and hath not performed My commandments.'</q>
 
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<p>However, Hashem does not elaborate as to what specific action caused him to regret appointing Shaul as king. His words follow a description of Shaul's having mercy on Agag and the choice cattle, suggesting that this was the problem. However, neither of these actions seems so terrible that they should merit such a severe punishment. Shaul's stated motives in saving the sheep were positive, as he meant to sacrifice them to Hashem,<fn>One might argue</fn> and&#160; taking only one prisoner captive would appear to be a minor transgression.&#160; In addition, if necessary, it would be fairly easy to rectify the mistake of having left them alive!&#160; Finally, Shaul himself seems unaware that these actions were problematic, and even cites them when declaring that he has kept Hashem's words:</p>
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<p>However, Hashem does not elaborate as to what specific action caused him to regret appointing Shaul as king. His words follow a description of Shaul's having mercy on Agag and the choice cattle, suggesting that this was the problem.<fn>In Shemeul's rebukes he focuses on taking from the booty, asking, "וּמֶה קוֹל הַצֹּאן הַזֶּה בְּאׇזְנָי" in verse 14, and chastising " וְלָמָּה לֹא שָׁמַעְתָּ בְּקוֹל י"י וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל" in verse 19.</fn> However, neither of these actions seems so terrible that they should merit such a severe punishment. Shaul's motives in saving the sheep were positive, as he meant to sacrifice them to Hashem,<fn>One might argue that this was simply an excuse after the fact rather than his original intention.</fn> and&#160; taking only one prisoner captive would appear to be a minor transgression.&#160; In addition, if necessary, it would be fairly easy to rectify the mistake of having left them alive!&#160; Finally, Shaul himself seems unaware that these actions were problematic, and even cites them when declaring that he has kept Hashem's words:</p>
 
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<q xml:lang="he" dir="rtl">(כ) וַיֹּאמֶר שָׁאוּל אֶל שְׁמוּאֵל אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתִּי בְּקוֹל י"י וָאֵלֵךְ בַּדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר שְׁלָחַנִי י"י וָאָבִיא אֶת אֲגַג מֶלֶךְ עֲמָלֵק וְאֶת עֲמָלֵק הֶחֱרַמְתִּי. (כא) וַיִּקַּח הָעָם מֵהַשָּׁלָל צֹאן וּבָקָר רֵאשִׁית הַחֵרֶם לִזְבֹּחַ לַיהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בַּגִּלְגָּל.</q>
 
<q xml:lang="he" dir="rtl">(כ) וַיֹּאמֶר שָׁאוּל אֶל שְׁמוּאֵל אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתִּי בְּקוֹל י"י וָאֵלֵךְ בַּדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר שְׁלָחַנִי י"י וָאָבִיא אֶת אֲגַג מֶלֶךְ עֲמָלֵק וְאֶת עֲמָלֵק הֶחֱרַמְתִּי. (כא) וַיִּקַּח הָעָם מֵהַשָּׁלָל צֹאן וּבָקָר רֵאשִׁית הַחֵרֶם לִזְבֹּחַ לַיהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בַּגִּלְגָּל.</q>
 
<q xml:lang="en">(20) And Saul said unto Samuel: 'Yea, I have hearkened to the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. (21) But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the devoted things, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.'</q>
 
<q xml:lang="en">(20) And Saul said unto Samuel: 'Yea, I have hearkened to the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. (21) But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the devoted things, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.'</q>
 
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<p>Where, then, did Shaul fail so badly that he lost the kingship?</p>
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<p>Where, then, did Shaul err so badly that he lost the kingship?</p>
  
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<h2>Comparison to David</h2>
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<p>As David moves into kingship right after this chapter, the reader naturally compares the two leaders, wondering what made Shaul fail where David succeeded.</p>
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<li><b>Character</b> – Which problematic aspects of Shaul's behavior does David improve upon? Which of David's positive traits did Shaul lack?&#160; Are these differences prominent in our chapter?</li>
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<li><b>Dealings with Amalek</b> – Did David rectify any of Shaul's mistakes from the battle?&#160; In David's war against Amalek (<a href="ShemuelI30-1-20" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 30:1-20</a>), he takes sheep and cattle as booty, and allows four hundred Amalekites escape.&#160; Is this any better than Shaul?&#160; Why, then, is Shaul chastised for his actions, but not David?</li>
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<li><b>Sin and punishment</b> –When David sins with Batsheva, he does not lose his kingship.&#160; Were Shaul's deeds here really more blameworthy than those of David that he received the more severe punishment?</li>
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<h2>Other Questions</h2>
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<li><b>"וְהִנֵּה מַצִּיב לוֹ יָד"</b> – After the battle, we are told that Shaul was "setting up for him a monument".&#160; What were Shaul's intentions in setting up this memorial?&#160; Was it meant to honor himself on his great victory, or was it meant for Hashem' glory?&#160; </li>
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<li><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b> – In rebuking Shaul, Shemuel compares his actions to idolatry and magical offerings. what does he mean by the analogy?&#160; What light might it shed on the nature of Shaul's sin?</li>
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<li><b>"וְאֶת עֲמָלֵק הֶחֱרַמְתִּי"</b> – Shemuel I 30 tells how, not long after the events of our chapter, the Amalekites attacked David's camp in Ziklag. However, If Shaul had killed all of the Amalekites, how did hundreds remain to fight against David?</li>
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<p>David's Battle with Amalek&#160;– Not long after our the events of our chapter, we are told that&#160; Amalekites attacked David's camp in Ziklag (<a href="ShemuelI30-1-20" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 30:1-20</a>).&#160; However, If Shaul had killed all of the Amalekites, how were there still hundreds left to fight against David?</p>
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Version as of 01:34, 23 October 2016

Shaul Loses the Kingship

Introduction

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Of Sheep and Kings

Shemuel I 15 revolves around Shaul's battle against Amalek and his subsequent loss of the kingship.  After the battle, Hashem tells Shemuel:

EN/HEע/E

נִחַמְתִּי כִּי הִמְלַכְתִּי אֶת שָׁאוּל לְמֶלֶךְ כִּי שָׁב מֵאַחֲרַי וְאֶת דְּבָרַי לֹא הֵקִים...

'It repenteth Me that I have set up Saul to be king; for he is turned back from following Me, and hath not performed My commandments.'

However, Hashem does not elaborate as to what specific action caused him to regret appointing Shaul as king. His words follow a description of Shaul's having mercy on Agag and the choice cattle, suggesting that this was the problem.1 However, neither of these actions seems so terrible that they should merit such a severe punishment. Shaul's motives in saving the sheep were positive, as he meant to sacrifice them to Hashem,2 and  taking only one prisoner captive would appear to be a minor transgression.  In addition, if necessary, it would be fairly easy to rectify the mistake of having left them alive!  Finally, Shaul himself seems unaware that these actions were problematic, and even cites them when declaring that he has kept Hashem's words:

EN/HEע/E

(כ) וַיֹּאמֶר שָׁאוּל אֶל שְׁמוּאֵל אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתִּי בְּקוֹל י"י וָאֵלֵךְ בַּדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר שְׁלָחַנִי י"י וָאָבִיא אֶת אֲגַג מֶלֶךְ עֲמָלֵק וְאֶת עֲמָלֵק הֶחֱרַמְתִּי. (כא) וַיִּקַּח הָעָם מֵהַשָּׁלָל צֹאן וּבָקָר רֵאשִׁית הַחֵרֶם לִזְבֹּחַ לַיהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בַּגִּלְגָּל.

(20) And Saul said unto Samuel: 'Yea, I have hearkened to the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. (21) But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the devoted things, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.'

Where, then, did Shaul err so badly that he lost the kingship?

Comparison to David

As David moves into kingship right after this chapter, the reader naturally compares the two leaders, wondering what made Shaul fail where David succeeded.

  • Character – Which problematic aspects of Shaul's behavior does David improve upon? Which of David's positive traits did Shaul lack?  Are these differences prominent in our chapter?
  • Dealings with Amalek – Did David rectify any of Shaul's mistakes from the battle?  In David's war against Amalek (Shemuel I 30:1-20), he takes sheep and cattle as booty, and allows four hundred Amalekites escape.  Is this any better than Shaul?  Why, then, is Shaul chastised for his actions, but not David?
  • Sin and punishment –When David sins with Batsheva, he does not lose his kingship.  Were Shaul's deeds here really more blameworthy than those of David that he received the more severe punishment?

Other Questions

  • "וְהִנֵּה מַצִּיב לוֹ יָד" – After the battle, we are told that Shaul was "setting up for him a monument".  What were Shaul's intentions in setting up this memorial?  Was it meant to honor himself on his great victory, or was it meant for Hashem' glory? 
  • "כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר" – In rebuking Shaul, Shemuel compares his actions to idolatry and magical offerings. what does he mean by the analogy?  What light might it shed on the nature of Shaul's sin?
  • "וְאֶת עֲמָלֵק הֶחֱרַמְתִּי" – Shemuel I 30 tells how, not long after the events of our chapter, the Amalekites attacked David's camp in Ziklag. However, If Shaul had killed all of the Amalekites, how did hundreds remain to fight against David?

David's Battle with Amalek

David's Battle with Amalek – Not long after our the events of our chapter, we are told that  Amalekites attacked David's camp in Ziklag (Shemuel I 30:1-20).  However, If Shaul had killed all of the Amalekites, how were there still hundreds left to fight against David?