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<li>What other factors might lead one to suggest that the Avot did in fact observe at least some of the commandments?</li> | <li>What other factors might lead one to suggest that the Avot did in fact observe at least some of the commandments?</li> | ||
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Shavuot Table Topics
Who Heard What?
Though many people assume that the entire nation heard all ten of the Aseret HaDibrot directly from God, many commentators suggest that Moshe might have acted as an intermediary for at least part of, if not the entire, experience. What verses would support each position?
- Ibn Ezra and Rashbam maintain that the nation heard the entire Decalogue from Hashem, but then fear overcame them and they requested that Moshe step in. Had it not been for their fear, Hashem would have relayed the rest of Torah directly as well. How does this reading affect your perception of the uniqueness of the Aseret HaDibrot? Is it problematic to suggest that Hashem might have a change of plan?
- Rambam, in contrast, assumes that Hashem spoke directly only to Moshe. The people listened to their conversation, but only heard the Divine voice and could not decipher His words. Rambam is likely motivated by his belief that indiscriminate prophecy is impossible. Do you agree that prophecy is only possible with proper training and preparation, or can anyone reach prophetic levels if Hashem chooses to speak to them? Support your position from elsewhere in Tanakh!
- According to those who maintain that revelation was a direct, face to face encounter, presumably one of the primary goals of the experience was to attain belief in Hashem. What, though, would be the purpose of revelation according to those who suggest that Moshe was meant to act as an intermediary? For elaboration, see The Decalogue: Direct From Hashem or Via Moshe?
Were the Avot Jewish?
Shavuot celebrates the Children of Israel's receiving of the Torah, and in so doing becoming a religion in addition to a nation. Does this suggest that the Avot and Imahot, who lived centuries before Matan Torah, were not "Jewish"? Did they keep the mitzvot? On one hand, many of the Torah's laws were designed for a nation and would be meaningless to the Patriarchs. On the other hand, it seems paradoxical to conceive of the founders of a religion not observing even its most basic commandments.
- What other factors might lead one to suggest that the Avot did in fact observe at least some of the commandments?
- What evidence might you bring from Torah to support each position?
- With which side of the debate do you agree; why? See Avot and Mitzvot – Was Avraham the First Jew?
