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<p>These commentators understand the intense gluttony of the nation as the sin in this narrative.</p> | <p>These commentators understand the intense gluttony of the nation as the sin in this narrative.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>Eating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, | + | <point><b>Eating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חִנָּם literally means "free of charge."</point> |
<point><b>Fish or meat</b> – R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature.<fn>R. Bahya also quotes Sifre, which discusses גילוי עריות as emerging from the reference of דגה (See Theological Issues/Burden of Commandments/ Fish or Meat?). He writes the Sifre, by introducing sexual relations into the picture, is also highlighting the gluttonous nature of the people. דגה, in addition to being fish, also emphasizes how much the people were gluttons.</fn> The request was not exclusively for meat.</point> | <point><b>Fish or meat</b> – R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature.<fn>R. Bahya also quotes Sifre, which discusses גילוי עריות as emerging from the reference of דגה (See Theological Issues/Burden of Commandments/ Fish or Meat?). He writes the Sifre, by introducing sexual relations into the picture, is also highlighting the gluttonous nature of the people. דגה, in addition to being fish, also emphasizes how much the people were gluttons.</fn> The request was not exclusively for meat.</point> | ||
<point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">According to these commentators, it is likely the request in </span><a style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;" href="Shemot16" data-aht="source">Shemot 16</a><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony.</span><fn>The different words used in the Torah for gathering the meat in Bemidbar 11 and gathering the Manna in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8 may reflect this distinction. The root א.ס.פ appears continuously throughout Bemidbar 11. In Shemot 16, the root ל.ק.ט is used. Both of these verbs express the action of gathering. <multilink><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 17:5</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink> writes that א.ס.פ is the first reaping done in a field, where one grabs a lot of sheaves in one shot. ל.ק.ט is a reaping done where one picks up one sheaf at a time off the ground. The ambitious reaping, אסיפה, may reflect a more gluttonous gathering of food, as is seen in Bemidbar 11. לקיטה may reflect a more humble, respectful, or simple gathering of food as seen in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8</fn></point> | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">According to these commentators, it is likely the request in </span><a style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;" href="Shemot16" data-aht="source">Shemot 16</a><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony.</span><fn>The different words used in the Torah for gathering the meat in Bemidbar 11 and gathering the Manna in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8 may reflect this distinction. The root א.ס.פ appears continuously throughout Bemidbar 11. In Shemot 16, the root ל.ק.ט is used. Both of these verbs express the action of gathering. <multilink><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 17:5</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink> writes that א.ס.פ is the first reaping done in a field, where one grabs a lot of sheaves in one shot. ל.ק.ט is a reaping done where one picks up one sheaf at a time off the ground. The ambitious reaping, אסיפה, may reflect a more gluttonous gathering of food, as is seen in Bemidbar 11. לקיטה may reflect a more humble, respectful, or simple gathering of food as seen in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8</fn></point> | ||
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<opinion>Testing Hashem's Abilities | <opinion>Testing Hashem's Abilities | ||
<p>Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation. Such a lack of belief could be tantamount to idolatry and warrant an extreme punishment.</p> | <p>Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation. Such a lack of belief could be tantamount to idolatry and warrant an extreme punishment.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a>, <multilink><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim136" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim136" data-aht="source">1 36</a><a href="Rambam Moreh Nevukhim" data-aht="parshan">About Rambam Moreh Nevukhim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href=" | + | <mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a>, <multilink><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim136" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim136" data-aht="source">1 36</a><a href="Rambam Moreh Nevukhim" data-aht="parshan">About Rambam Moreh Nevukhim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SfornoBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Sforno</a><a href="SfornoBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Sforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Sforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">HaKetav VeHaKabbalah</a><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Yaakov Mecklenburg (HaKetav VeHaKabbalah)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov Mecklenburg</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Malbim #1</a><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="MalbimTehillimBeurHaInyan78-18" data-aht="source">Tehillim Beur HaInyan 78:18</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink>, <a href="RidBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Zedekiah Ben R. Abraham</a>, <a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11-31" data-aht="source">Ralbag #2</a>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar11-16" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar11-16" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:16</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – In Shemot 16, though a similar request was made, it is unlikely that request was sinful. There, the request as directed at Moshe and Aharon. The nation was, perhaps, seeking an answer to their issues. In <a href="Bemidbar11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11</a>, the request was directed at no one. The people, perhaps, were not looking for a real answer to the request. They merely expressed their lack of faith in Hashem's providence and did not care to verify whether He could provide.<br/>Alternatively, Abrabanel argues Shemot 16 was also  a negative request. However, the nation had not known of the Manna yet and were thus never introduced to messages of the Manna, namely a full belief in Hashem's ability to provide. By Bemidbar 11, the nation was expected to have internalized those messages already. The failure to do so resulted in the punishment</point> | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – In Shemot 16, though a similar request was made, it is unlikely that request was sinful. There, the request as directed at Moshe and Aharon. The nation was, perhaps, seeking an answer to their issues. In <a href="Bemidbar11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11</a>, the request was directed at no one. The people, perhaps, were not looking for a real answer to the request. They merely expressed their lack of faith in Hashem's providence and did not care to verify whether He could provide.<br/>Alternatively, Abrabanel argues Shemot 16 was also  a negative request. However, the nation had not known of the Manna yet and were thus never introduced to messages of the Manna, namely a full belief in Hashem's ability to provide. By Bemidbar 11, the nation was expected to have internalized those messages already. The failure to do so resulted in the punishment</point> | ||
<point><b>ֵEating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point> | <point><b>ֵEating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point> |
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Sinning with Quail
Exegetical Approaches
Gluttony
These commentators understand the intense gluttony of the nation as the sin in this narrative.
- According to this approach, it is still tough to understand why gluttony itself may have caused such an extreme punishment.
- Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik writes that gluttony represents a pagan way of life, which stands in contradistinction to a Torah way of life.4
Theological Issues
The Israelites' request for meat truly represented a much more severe theological issue they had with Hashem and His Torah.
Burden of Commandments
Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.
- According to these commentators, Moshe's extreme response may be more understandable as this request is questioning the validity of Hashem's commandments.
- Maharsha writes that, in Bemidbar 11:22, Moshe expresses doubt of Hashem's ability to supply meat because of the existing prohibition against eating non-sacrificial meat.
- According to some commentators, the request itself for meat was problematic in that it really was a mask for a greater desire to rid themselves of Hashem's commandments.
- Maharsha claims the nation was trying to uproot the prohibition of eating בשר תאוה, non-sacrificial meat. The people wanted to ensure that when it came time to enter the Land of Israel, meat would be permitted.
Testing Hashem's Abilities
Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation. Such a lack of belief could be tantamount to idolatry and warrant an extreme punishment.
Alternatively, Abrabanel argues Shemot 16 was also a negative request. However, the nation had not known of the Manna yet and were thus never introduced to messages of the Manna, namely a full belief in Hashem's ability to provide. By Bemidbar 11, the nation was expected to have internalized those messages already. The failure to do so resulted in the punishment
Denying Significance of the Exodus
According to Rashbam, Hashem punished the Israelites for their lack of appreciation for their freedom from Egypt, perhaps a violation of one of the most fundamental beliefs in Judaism.8
"יַעַן כִּי מְאַסְתֶּם אֶת י"י אֲשֶׁר בְּקִרְבְּכֶם וַתִּבְכּוּ לְפָנָיו לֵאמֹר לָמָּה זֶּה יָצָאנוּ מִמִּצְרָיִם".
- R. Moshe HaKohen9 states the chapter refers to the Shemot 16 narrative. Therefore, the chapter does not present an issue for this approach.
- Alternatively, Seen in the context of the whole chapter, the episode of the quail as told in Tehillim 78 may be a manifestation of וַיִּשְׁכְּחוּ עֲלִילוֹתָיו וְנִפְלְאוֹתָיו אֲשֶׁר הֶרְאָם, in verse 11. The chapter reiterates how the Israelites did not appreciate the good Hashem did in taking them out of Egypt.
Degradation of the Manna
According to Rashbam, The Manna represented the ability to depend on Hashem for sustenance. An undermining of such a concept through lack of appreciation for and degradation of the Manna warranted a severe punishment from Hashem.
- On the one hand, perhaps the request for meat itself was not deplorable. Only the way the people went about the request did Hashem deem punishable
- Alternatively, the request for meat may have itself been a degradation to the Manna
- Bemidbar 11:7-9 relates how the Israelites would gather and collect the Manna each day, seemingly interrupting the flow of the narrative. In fact, this interlude may present the contrast of how great the Manna really was and how the people viewed it.
- Alternatively, Rashbam argues the Torah describes the nation grinding and cooking the Manna in 11:8 to reflect poorly on how the nation treated the Manna, a food meant to be eaten pure without any human involvement.
- Perhaps Moshe understood the complaint wasn't as much about the meat as it was about the Manna. Therefore, he was correct in arguing he could not possibly supply enough meat to satisfy the nation's request.
- It is tough to understand why this event pushed Moshe over the edge. Interestingly, we see Moshe also get uncharacteristically angry when the nation violates the rules of Manna collection in Shemot 16:20. Perhaps, Moshe, too, understood the significance of Manna to the relationship between the Israelites and Hashem.
- R. Moshe HaKohen10 states the chapter refers to the Shemot 16 narrative. Therefore, the chapter does not present an issue for this approach.
- Tehillim 78:24 references the Manna and then proceeds to tell of the quail falling in the desert. Perhaps this reflects the Israelites' lack of appreciation or even their degradation of the Manna.