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<p>The Israelites' gluttony warrants an intense punishment from Hashem</p> | <p>The Israelites' gluttony warrants an intense punishment from Hashem</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>,  <multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink> , <multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>,  <multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink> , <multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>Eating "בחנם"</b></point> | + | <point><b>Eating "בחנם"</b> –  Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point> |
+ | <point><b>Fish or Meat?</b></point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b></point> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Theological Issues | <category>Theological Issues | ||
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<p>Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.</p> | <p>Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.</p> | ||
<mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:13</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">Maharsha</a><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">.חידושי אגדות יומא עה</a><a href="Maharsha" data-aht="source"> .חידושי אגדות חולין יז</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Malbim #2</a><a href="MalbimTehillimBeurHaInyan78-29" data-aht="source">Tehillim Beur HaInyan 78:29</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:13</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">Maharsha</a><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">.חידושי אגדות יומא עה</a><a href="Maharsha" data-aht="source"> .חידושי אגדות חולין יז</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Malbim #2</a><a href="MalbimTehillimBeurHaInyan78-29" data-aht="source">Tehillim Beur HaInyan 78:29</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b></point> | + | <point><b>Eating בחנם</b> – These commentators reason that בחנם truly means "free from commandments<fn>The Sifre discounts the possibility that Egyptian taskmasters would have given free sustenance to their slaves if they would not even give straw to make bricks (See Shemot 5). Therefore, חנם must be discusses something else.</fn>." In Egypt, before the giving of the Torah, the Israelites were not bound by any eating restrictions and could indulge in any food they pleased.</point> |
+ | <point><b>Fish or Meat?</b> Shmuel (Yoma 75b) asserts that דגים is actually a reference to illicit sexual relations, which were not yet prohibited to the Israelites in Egypt<fn>Rashi, Maharsha (Yoma 75b), and Daat Zekeinim (Bemidbar 11) all explain how the root of דגה can also mean sexual relations. (See Bereishit 48:16)</fn>. Longing for "fish" is another expression of ridding of restrictive commandments.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – Rashi argues that the request for meat in Shemot was also a negative, gluttonous request<fn>Yoma 75a writes that Hashem gave meat "לא כהוגן," "improperly," because it was asked for "לא כהוגן." Most read this statement a referring to the request for meat in Shemot 16. There, meat was given at night, a more inconvenient time to collect. See עיון יעקב who argues the Gemara refers to Bemidbar 11 instead,</fn>. Nonetheless, such a request was not as severe as the one in Bemidbar 11.</point> | ||
</opinion> | </opinion> | ||
<opinion>Testing Hashem's Abilities | <opinion>Testing Hashem's Abilities |
Version as of 01:39, 14 June 2018
Sinning with Quail
Exegetical Approaches
Gluttony
The Israelites' gluttony warrants an intense punishment from Hashem
Sources:Ramban, R. Yosef Bekhor Shor, R. Bachya #2 , R. Yosef ibn Kaspi, Ralbag #1, Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik
Eating "בחנם" – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."
Fish or Meat?
Request of Shemot 16
Theological Issues
Burden of Commandments
Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.
Eating בחנם – These commentators reason that בחנם truly means "free from commandments1." In Egypt, before the giving of the Torah, the Israelites were not bound by any eating restrictions and could indulge in any food they pleased.
Fish or Meat? Shmuel (Yoma 75b) asserts that דגים is actually a reference to illicit sexual relations, which were not yet prohibited to the Israelites in Egypt2. Longing for "fish" is another expression of ridding of restrictive commandments.
Request of Shemot 16 – Rashi argues that the request for meat in Shemot was also a negative, gluttonous request3. Nonetheless, such a request was not as severe as the one in Bemidbar 11.
Testing Hashem's Abilities
Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation
Sources:Sifre, Rashi, Malbim #1, Seforno, Zedekiah Ben R. Abraham, HaKetav VeHaKabbalah, Ralbag #2, Rambam
Request of Shemot 16
Educational Expectations
Lack of Appreciation
While the request itself was not problematic, Hashem punished the Israelites for their lack of appreciation for their freedom from Egypt.
Request of Shemot 16
Educational Development
The Israelites' request portrayed the nation's failure of inculcating the the essential messages of th Manna and revelation at Sinai.
Sources:Abarbanel
Request of Shemot 16