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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, &#160;<multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>&#160;,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,&#160;<a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorShemot16-13" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:13</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-8" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-9" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:9</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-21" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:21</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, &#160;<multilink><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #2</a><a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5_2" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>&#160;,&#160;<multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiBemidbar11-7" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:7</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag #1</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RalbagBemidbarToalot11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar Toalot 11</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,&#160;<a href="https://torah.org/torah-portion/mikra-5774-behaaloscha/">Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik</a></mekorot>
 
<point><b>Eating "בחנם"</b> – &#160;Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point>
 
<point><b>Eating "בחנם"</b> – &#160;Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point>
<point><b>Fish or Meat?</b></point>
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<point><b>Fish, Vegetables &#160;or Meat?</b> R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature<fn>R. Bahya also quotes Sifre, which discusses גילוי עריות as emerging from the reference of דגה (See Theological Issues/Burden of Commandments/ Fish or Meat?). He writes the Sifre, by introducing sexual relations into the picture, is also highlighting the gluttonous nature of the people. דגה, in addition to being fish, also emphasizes&#160;how much the people were gluttons.<br/><br/></fn>. The request was not exclusively for meat.</point>
<point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b></point>
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<point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – According to these commentators, it is likely the request in <a href="Shemot16" data-aht="source">Shemot 16</a>&#160;was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony<fn>The different words used in the Torah for gathering the meat in Bemidbar 11 and gathering the Manna in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8 may reflect this distinction. The root א.ס.פ appears continuously throughout Bemidbar 11. In Shemot 16, the root ל.ק.ט is used. Both of these verbs express the action of gathering. Radak (Yeshaya 17) writes that א.ס.פ is the first reaping done in a field, where one grabs a lot of sheaves in one shot. ל.ק.ט is a reaping done where one picks up one sheaf at a time off the ground. The ambitious reaping, אסיפה, may reflect a more gluttonous gathering of food, as is seen in Bemidbar 11. לקיטה may reflect a more humble, respectful, or simple gathering of food as seen in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 7-8<br/><br/></fn></point>
 
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Sinning with Quail

Exegetical Approaches

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Gluttony

The Israelites' gluttony warrants an intense punishment from Hashem

Eating "בחנם" –  Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."
Fish, Vegetables  or Meat? R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature1. The request was not exclusively for meat.
Request of Shemot 16 – According to these commentators, it is likely the request in Shemot 16 was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony2

Theological Issues

Burden of Commandments

Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.

Eating בחנם – These commentators reason that בחנם truly means "free from commandments3." In Egypt, before the giving of the Torah, the Israelites were not bound by any eating restrictions and could indulge in any food they pleased.
Fish or Meat? Shmuel (Yoma 75b) asserts that דגים is actually a reference to illicit sexual relations, which were not yet prohibited to the Israelites in Egypt4. Longing for "fish" is another expression of ridding of restrictive commandments.
Request of Shemot 16 – Rashi argues that the request for meat in Shemot was also a negative, gluttonous request5. Nonetheless, such a request was not as severe as the one in Bemidbar 11.

Testing Hashem's Abilities

Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation

Request of Shemot 16

Educational Expectations

Lack of Appreciation

While the request itself was not problematic, Hashem punished the Israelites for their lack of appreciation for their freedom from Egypt.

Request of Shemot 16

Educational Development

The Israelites' request portrayed the nation's failure of inculcating the the essential messages of th Manna and revelation at Sinai.

Request of Shemot 16