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<point><b>Eating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point> | <point><b>Eating "חִנָּם"</b> – Ramban asserts that Egyptian taskmasters would have the Israelites catch fish for them in the Nile and would allow the slaves to take fish once in a while. R. Yosef Bekhor Shor argues that when the Nile would overflow, fish would remain on the soil and be left ownerless for anyone to take. For these commentators, חנם literally means "free of charge."</point> | ||
<point><b>Fish or meat</b> – R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature.<fn>R. Bahya also quotes Sifre, which discusses גילוי עריות as emerging from the reference of דגה (See Theological Issues/Burden of Commandments/ Fish or Meat?). He writes the Sifre, by introducing sexual relations into the picture, is also highlighting the gluttonous nature of the people. דגה, in addition to being fish, also emphasizes how much the people were gluttons.</fn> The request was not exclusively for meat.</point> | <point><b>Fish or meat</b> – R. Bahya writes that their request for these foods further reflected their gluttonous nature.<fn>R. Bahya also quotes Sifre, which discusses גילוי עריות as emerging from the reference of דגה (See Theological Issues/Burden of Commandments/ Fish or Meat?). He writes the Sifre, by introducing sexual relations into the picture, is also highlighting the gluttonous nature of the people. דגה, in addition to being fish, also emphasizes how much the people were gluttons.</fn> The request was not exclusively for meat.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">According to these commentators, it is likely the request in </span><a style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;" href="Shemot16" data-aht="source">Shemot 16</a><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony.</span><fn>The different words used in the Torah for gathering the meat in Bemidbar 11 and gathering the Manna in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8 may reflect this distinction. The root א.ס.פ appears continuously throughout Bemidbar 11. In Shemot 16, the root ל.ק.ט is used. Both of these verbs express the action of gathering. Radak ( | + | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">According to these commentators, it is likely the request in </span><a style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;" href="Shemot16" data-aht="source">Shemot 16</a><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> was not sinful at all. There, the people were fighting for survival in that they had absolutely nothing to eat as the Manna had not been introduced. The people in Bemidbar 11 had the Manna already and yet were still desiring more. Their request was not one of survival but of gluttony.</span><fn>The different words used in the Torah for gathering the meat in Bemidbar 11 and gathering the Manna in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8 may reflect this distinction. The root א.ס.פ appears continuously throughout Bemidbar 11. In Shemot 16, the root ל.ק.ט is used. Both of these verbs express the action of gathering. <multilink><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYeshayahu17-5" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 17:5</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink> writes that א.ס.פ is the first reaping done in a field, where one grabs a lot of sheaves in one shot. ל.ק.ט is a reaping done where one picks up one sheaf at a time off the ground. The ambitious reaping, אסיפה, may reflect a more gluttonous gathering of food, as is seen in Bemidbar 11. לקיטה may reflect a more humble, respectful, or simple gathering of food as seen in Shemot 16 and Bemidbar 11:7-8</fn></point> |
− | <point><b>בֹּכֶה לְמִשְׁפְּחֹתָיו</b> – R. Avraham Ibn Ezra understands this phrase as expressing as comparing the people's response to those who cry over their dead.<fn>R. Yosef Bekhor Shor emphasizes the nation's exaggerated cries later in 11:19 where he compares the people to a baby crying over nothing.</fn></point> | + | <point><b>בֹּכֶה לְמִשְׁפְּחֹתָיו</b> – R. Avraham Ibn Ezra understands this phrase as expressing as comparing the people's response to those who cry over their dead.<fn><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> emphasizes the nation's exaggerated cries later in Bemidbar 11:19 where he compares the people to a baby crying over nothing.</fn></point> |
<point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – R. Yosef Bekhor Shor posits that the raining quail of Shemot 16 is actually the same quail of Bemidbar 11. The Torah, once informing the reader of other raining sustenance (namely, the Manna), also informed about other foods that at other points fell from the sky. Thus, Moshe never would have known of such a possible solution to this issue.</point> | <point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – R. Yosef Bekhor Shor posits that the raining quail of Shemot 16 is actually the same quail of Bemidbar 11. The Torah, once informing the reader of other raining sustenance (namely, the Manna), also informed about other foods that at other points fell from the sky. Thus, Moshe never would have known of such a possible solution to this issue.</point> | ||
<point><b>Severity of Punishment</b><ul> | <point><b>Severity of Punishment</b><ul> | ||
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<mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:13</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">Maharsha</a><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">.חידושי אגדות יומא עה</a><a href="Maharsha" data-aht="source"> .חידושי אגדות חולין יז</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Malbim #2</a><a href="MalbimTehillimBeurHaInyan78-29" data-aht="source">Tehillim Beur HaInyan 78:29</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><a href="SifreBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Sifre</a>, <multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-4" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:4</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:5</a><a href="RashiBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:10</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Daat Zekeinim</a><a href="DaatZekeinimBemidbar11-13" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:13</a><a href="Daat Zekeinim" data-aht="parshan">About Daat Zekeinim</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">Maharsha</a><a href="MaharshaHullin17a" data-aht="source">.חידושי אגדות יומא עה</a><a href="Maharsha" data-aht="source"> .חידושי אגדות חולין יז</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimBemidbar11-10" data-aht="source">Malbim #2</a><a href="MalbimTehillimBeurHaInyan78-29" data-aht="source">Tehillim Beur HaInyan 78:29</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
<point><b>Eating בחנם</b> – These commentators reason that חִנָּם truly means "free from commandments".<fn>The Sifre discounts the possibility that Egyptian taskmasters would have given free sustenance to their slaves if they would not even give straw to make bricks (See Shemot 5). Therefore, חנם must be discusses something else.</fn> In Egypt, before the giving of the Torah, the Israelites were not bound by any eating restrictions and could indulge in any food they pleased.</point> | <point><b>Eating בחנם</b> – These commentators reason that חִנָּם truly means "free from commandments".<fn>The Sifre discounts the possibility that Egyptian taskmasters would have given free sustenance to their slaves if they would not even give straw to make bricks (See Shemot 5). Therefore, חנם must be discusses something else.</fn> In Egypt, before the giving of the Torah, the Israelites were not bound by any eating restrictions and could indulge in any food they pleased.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Fish or meat</b> – Shemuel (Yoma 75a) asserts that הַדָּגָה is actually a reference to illicit sexual relations, which were not yet prohibited to the Israelites in Egypt.<fn>Rashi, Maharsha (Yoma 75a), and Daat Zekeinim (Bemidbar 11) all explain how the root of דגה can also mean sexual relations. (See Bereishit 48:16)</fn> Longing for "fish" is another expression of ridding of restrictive commandments.</point> | + | <point><b>Fish or meat</b> – Shemuel (<a href="BavliYoma75a" data-aht="source">Yoma 75a</a>) asserts that הַדָּגָה is actually a reference to illicit sexual relations, which were not yet prohibited to the Israelites in Egypt.<fn>Rashi, Maharsha (Yoma 75a), and Daat Zekeinim (Bemidbar 11) all explain how the root of דגה can also mean sexual relations. (See Bereishit 48:16)</fn> Longing for "fish" is another expression of ridding of restrictive commandments.</point> |
− | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – Rashi argues that the request for meat in Shemot was also a negative, gluttonous request.<fn>Yoma 75a writes that Hashem gave meat "לא כהוגן," "improperly," because it was asked for "לא כהוגן." Most read this statement a referring to the request for meat in Shemot 16. There, meat was given at night, a more inconvenient time to collect. See עיון יעקב who argues the Gemara refers to Bemidbar 11 instead,</fn> Nonetheless, such a request was not as severe as the one in Bemidbar 11.</point> | + | <point><b>Request of Shemot 16</b> – Rashi argues that the request for meat in Shemot was also a negative, gluttonous request.<fn><a href="BavliYoma75a-b" data-aht="source">Yoma 75a-b</a> writes that Hashem gave meat "לא כהוגן," "improperly," because it was asked for "לא כהוגן." Most read this statement a referring to the request for meat in Shemot 16. There, meat was given at night, a more inconvenient time to collect. See עיון יעקב who argues the Gemara refers to Bemidbar 11 instead,</fn> Nonetheless, such a request was not as severe as the one in Bemidbar 11.</point> |
<point><b>בֹּכֶה לְמִשְׁפְּחֹתָיו</b> – The Sifre understands that the crying by families was really a crying <i>about</i> families. Once the prohibitions of illicit sexual relations were introduced, families were forced to split up due to prohibited relationships.</point> | <point><b>בֹּכֶה לְמִשְׁפְּחֹתָיו</b> – The Sifre understands that the crying by families was really a crying <i>about</i> families. Once the prohibitions of illicit sexual relations were introduced, families were forced to split up due to prohibited relationships.</point> | ||
<point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – According to these commentators, Moshe's extreme response may be more understandable as this request is questioning the validity of Hashem's commandments.</point> | <point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – According to these commentators, Moshe's extreme response may be more understandable as this request is questioning the validity of Hashem's commandments.</point> | ||
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<point><b>Fish or meat/Eating חִנָּם</b> – For Rashbam, Both of these points reflect the nation's nostalgia towards Egypt.</point> | <point><b>Fish or meat/Eating חִנָּם</b> – For Rashbam, Both of these points reflect the nation's nostalgia towards Egypt.</point> | ||
<point><b>Consistency with the Text</b> – In <a href="Bemidbar11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:20</a>, Hashem explicitly references the return to Egypt as the catalyst for His extreme punishment.<br/>"יַעַן כִּי מְאַסְתֶּם אֶת י"י אֲשֶׁר בְּקִרְבְּכֶם וַתִּבְכּוּ לְפָנָיו לֵאמֹר לָמָּה זֶּה יָצָאנוּ מִמִּצְרָיִם".</point> | <point><b>Consistency with the Text</b> – In <a href="Bemidbar11" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:20</a>, Hashem explicitly references the return to Egypt as the catalyst for His extreme punishment.<br/>"יַעַן כִּי מְאַסְתֶּם אֶת י"י אֲשֶׁר בְּקִרְבְּכֶם וַתִּבְכּוּ לְפָנָיו לֵאמֹר לָמָּה זֶּה יָצָאנוּ מִמִּצְרָיִם".</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – Moshe too may have understood the severity of this request. The nation was underlying the basis of its relationship with Hashem. | + | <point><b>Moshe's Response</b> – Moshe too may have understood the severity of this request. The nation was underlying the basis of its relationship with Hashem.</point> |
<point><b>הִתְאַוּוּ תַּאֲוָה</b> – Rashbam writes that had the nation asked for meat without regretting leaving Egypt, the result would not have been as bad as we seen it was.</point> | <point><b>הִתְאַוּוּ תַּאֲוָה</b> – Rashbam writes that had the nation asked for meat without regretting leaving Egypt, the result would not have been as bad as we seen it was.</point> | ||
</opinion> | </opinion> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Degradation of the Manna | <category>Degradation of the Manna | ||
− | <p>The Manna represented the ability to depend on Hashem for sustenance. An undermining of such a concept through lack of appreciation for and degradation of the Manna warranted a severe punishment from Hashem.</p> | + | <p>According to <multilink><a href="RashbamShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamShemot16-4" data-aht="source">Shemot 16:4</a><a href="RashbamDevarim8-2" data-aht="source">Devarim 8:2</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, The Manna represented the ability to depend on Hashem for sustenance. An undermining of such a concept through lack of appreciation for and degradation of the Manna warranted a severe punishment from Hashem.</p> |
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RashbamBemidbar11-8-10" data-aht="source">Rashbam #1</a><a href="RashbamBemidbar11-8-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8-10</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, <a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #1</a></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RashbamBemidbar11-8-10" data-aht="source">Rashbam #1</a><a href="RashbamBemidbar11-8-10" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 11:8-10</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, <a href="RBachyaBemidbar11-5" data-aht="source">R. Bachya #1</a></mekorot> | ||
<point><b>Fish or meat/</b><b>Eating חִנָּם</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">R. Bahya writes that הַדָּגָה was a disgusting type of fish. הַקִּשֻּׁאִים and הָאֲבַטִּחִים were examples of bad fruits. </span></span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">Because</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> of how lowly these foods were, they were available to the Israelite slaves for free in Egypt. Expressing desire for such foods was meant to </span></span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">degrade</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> the Manna.</span></span></point> | <point><b>Fish or meat/</b><b>Eating חִנָּם</b> – <span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">R. Bahya writes that הַדָּגָה was a disgusting type of fish. הַקִּשֻּׁאִים and הָאֲבַטִּחִים were examples of bad fruits. </span></span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">Because</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> of how lowly these foods were, they were available to the Israelite slaves for free in Egypt. Expressing desire for such foods was meant to </span></span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">degrade</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> the Manna.</span></span></point> |
Version as of 06:53, 17 June 2018
Sinning with Quail
Exegetical Approaches
Gluttony
These commentators understand the intense gluttony of the nation as the sin in this narrative.
- According to this approach, it is still tough to understand why gluttony itself may have caused such an extreme punishment.
- Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik writes that gluttony represents a pagan way of life, which stands in contradistinction to a Torah way of life.4
Theological Issues
The Israelites' request for meat truly represented a much more severe theological issue they had with Hashem and his Torah.
Burden of Commandments
Desire for food and meat are actually masks for a want of freedom from restrictive commandments.
Testing Hashem's Abilities
Complaints about food and meat challenge Hashem's ability to provide food for the hungry nation. Such a lack of belief could be tantamount to idolatry and warrant an extreme punishment.
Alternatively, Abrabanel argues Shemot 16 was also a negative request. However, the nation had not known of the Manna yet and were thus never introduced to messages of the Manna, namely a full belief in Hashem's ability to provide. By Bemidbar 11, the nation was expected to have internalized those messages already. The failure to do so resulted in the punishment
Denying Significance of the Exodus
According to Rashbam, Hashem punished the Israelites for their lack of appreciation for their freedom from Egypt, perhaps a violation of one of the most fundamental beliefs in Judaism.8
"יַעַן כִּי מְאַסְתֶּם אֶת י"י אֲשֶׁר בְּקִרְבְּכֶם וַתִּבְכּוּ לְפָנָיו לֵאמֹר לָמָּה זֶּה יָצָאנוּ מִמִּצְרָיִם".
Degradation of the Manna
According to Rashbam, The Manna represented the ability to depend on Hashem for sustenance. An undermining of such a concept through lack of appreciation for and degradation of the Manna warranted a severe punishment from Hashem.
- On the one hand, perhaps the request for meat itself was not deplorable. Only the way the people went about the request did Hashem deem punishable
- Alternatively, the request for meat may have itself been a degradation to the Manna
- Bemidbar 11:7-9 relates how the Israelites would gather and collect the Manna each day, seemingly interrupting the flow of the narrative. In fact, this interlude may present the contrast of how great the Manna really was and how the people viewed it.
- Alternatively, Rashbam argues the Torah describes the nation grinding and cooking the Manna in 11:8 to reflect poorly on how the nation treated the Manna, a food meant to be eaten pure without any human involvement.
- Perhaps Moshe understood the complaint wasn't as much about the meat as it was about the Manna. Therefore, he was correct in arguing he could not possibly supply enough meat to satisfy the nation's request.
- It is tough to understand why this event pushed Moshe over the edge. Interestingly, we see Moshe also get uncharacteristically angry when the nation violates the rules of Manna collection in Shemot 16:20. Perhaps, Moshe, too, understood the significance of Manna to the relationship between the Israelites and Hashem.