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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 1:29</a><a href="RadakBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 1:29</a><a href="RambanBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 1:29</a><a href="RadakBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit1-29" data-aht="source">Bereshit 1:29</a><a href="RambanBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<point><b>"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – According to these sources, this statement limited man's intake to vegetation. Ramban asserts that it also served to slightly elevate man above other creatures since only he was permitted seeds and fruit, while the birds and beasts were only given grasses.</point>
 
<point><b>"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – According to these sources, this statement limited man's intake to vegetation. Ramban asserts that it also served to slightly elevate man above other creatures since only he was permitted seeds and fruit, while the birds and beasts were only given grasses.</point>
<point><b>"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – &#160;Ramban assumes that the word "רֶמֶשׂ" includes all living creatures from bird to fish, while Radak suggests that the verse is missing a "ויו" and should read as if written, "all creeping creatures and all that are alive."&#160; As such, the verse is speaking about all animals and represents a new command, permitting what had before been prohibited.</point>
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<point><b>"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – Ramban assumes that the word "רֶמֶשׂ" includes all living creatures from bird to fish, while Radak suggests that the verse is missing a "ויו" and should read as if written, "all creeping creatures and all that are alive."&#160; As such, the verse is speaking about all animals and represents a new command, permitting what had before been prohibited.</point>
 
<point><b>"כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כֹּל"</b> – Hashem compares meat to vegetation to teach Noach that the two are now comparable and he can eat meat just as he had eaten greens.</point>
 
<point><b>"כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כֹּל"</b> – Hashem compares meat to vegetation to teach Noach that the two are now comparable and he can eat meat just as he had eaten greens.</point>
 
<point><b>Why was meat originally prohibited?</b><ul>
 
<point><b>Why was meat originally prohibited?</b><ul>
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<p>After the flood, mankind was allowed to eat animals as a concession to human frailties.</p>
 
<p>After the flood, mankind was allowed to eat animals as a concession to human frailties.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="MidrashAggadahBuberBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Midrash Aggadah (Buber)</a><a href="MidrashAggadahBuberBereshit9-3" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:3</a><a href="Midrash Aggadah (Buber)" data-aht="parshan">About Midrash Aggadah (Buber)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefibnKaspiDevarim22-6" data-aht="source">R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a><a href="RYosefibnKaspiDevarim22-6" data-aht="source">Devarim 22:6</a><a href="R. Yosef ibn Kaspi" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef ibn Kaspi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SeferHaIkarim3-15" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Albo</a><a href="SeferHaIkarim3-15" data-aht="source">Sefer Ha'Ikarim 3:15</a><a href="R. Yosef Albo" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Albo</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBereshit9-1-4" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBereshit9-1-4" data-aht="source">Bereshit 9:1-4</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="SefornoBereshit6-13" data-aht="source">Seforno</a><a href="SefornoBereshit6-13" data-aht="source">Bereshit 6:13</a><a href="R. Ovadyah Seforno" data-aht="parshan">About R. Ovadyah Seforno</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="הרבאיקוקטלליאורותפרקח" data-aht="source">R. A"Y Kook</a><a href="הרבאיקוקטלליאורותפרקח" data-aht="source">R. A"Y Kook</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="UCassutoBereshit" data-aht="source">U. Cassuto</a><a href="UCassutoBereshit" data-aht="source">Bereshit</a><a href="Prof. Umberto Cassuto" data-aht="parshan">About Prof. Umberto Cassuto</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
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<point>The command to Adam only mentions vegetation, and as such, excluded animals.</point>
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<point><b>"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – According to these sources, the command to Adam only mentions vegetation, and as such, excluded animals.</point>
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<point><b>"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה"</b> – It was first with Hashem's blessing to Noach that meat was permitted.</point>
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<point><b>Why was meat originally prohibited?</b></point>
 
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<opinion>Original prohibition was a practical necessity
 
<opinion>Original prohibition was a practical necessity

Version as of 07:10, 11 September 2015

Permission to Eat Meat

Exegetical Approaches

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Never Prohibited

Meat was permitted from the beginning of time and even Adam was always allowed to eat animals.

"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה" – According to this position, in these words Hashem never intended to limit man's food to vegetation. The exegetes differ, though, in how they understand Hashem's intent:
  • Speaking of the majority – R. Saadia explains that Hashem mentioned only vegetation and fruits because these are mankind's major food source while meat is a luxury eaten much less often.
  • Description rather than command – Ralbag1 asserts that these words are not a command to man at all but rather a further description of man's creation and a statement of natural law.2 Hashem is simply saying that He created humans with the ability to eat vegetation, even though grasses and plants are far from man's nature and one might have not expected this ability.3
  • Contrast to animals – Shadal asserts that the verse serves to contrast man, who is given seeds and fruit to eat, with the animals who were only given grasses to consume.  The difference highlights man's greater intellect (only he had knowledge to sow and plant) and flows from the prior blessing regarding man's authority over animals.
"And you shall rule over the fish" – According to Shadal, it is this phrase that alludes to the fact that Adam was allowed to kill animals for food. He points out that it is impossible to rule over fish unless one takes them out of the water, which inevitably leads to their deaths.4  Thus, it is clear that Hashem had no issue with man killing animals for utilitarian purposes.
Why not mention meat explicitly?
  • Minority discounted – According to R. Saadia, this case is is similar to many in which people highlight the majority, and make no mention of a minority even though they do not mean to exclude it.
  • Obvious – For Ralbag the ability for man to eat meat was obvious and thus did not need to be stated.  It was the capacity to eat vegetation that was surprising and as such, it was only this that was mentioned.
  • Prevent unnecessary killing – Shadal asserts that Hashem only alluded to the permission to eat meat rather than saying so explicitly so as not to encourage man to spill blood.
"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה" – Ralbag and Shadal assert that Hashem explicitly states that man has permission to eat meat after the flood, not to introduce a new command, but rather to juxtapose the fact with the prohibition to spill man's blood and to tear a limb from a live animal (אבר מן החי).  Hashem warns that although man is allowed to kill animals, this leniency does not extend to people, nor is one allowed to act cruelly towards animals even for the purpose of eating.
"כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כֹּל" – The comparison to vegetation is difficult for this approach, since there would seem to be no reason for it, if meat, too, had always been permitted. N. Rabban5 suggests that the words should not be viewed as an allusion back to Bereshit 1.  Rather, in the context of the new prohibition not to shed blood, Hashem reassures man that there is no ethical problem in killing animals, just as there is none in eating vegetation.
Proofs from nature – Shadal attempts to prove that Hashem could never have intended for man to eat only vegetables from the physiology of humans. Man's teeth and body are were created with the ability to eat and digest meat, not just greens.6  If Hashem had not wanted man to be carnivorous, He would not have equipped his body with such abilities.7
Philosophical motivations – Ralbag is bothered by the idea that Hashem's will might change.  He asserts that it is not possible that Hashem could originally prohibit meat from mankind and then change His mind to allow it after the flood.8
Evaluation of eating meat – This position does not set up vegetarianism as an ideal and sees no problem with killing animals for food.
Sacrifices before the flood – This position might suggest that Hevel's role as shepherd and sacrifice of sheep supports the idea that meat was permitted before the flood as well.
Were animals always carnivorous? According to this position, animals, too, were always allowed to eat meat.9  In fact, R, Saadia points to the fact that many animals are predators as evidence that meat was always allowed. Though no where in Torah are they explicitly told they can eat meat, they nonetheless do, which suggests that it was understood that they could and thus, the command in Chapter 9 was not actually coming to permit that which was prohibited beforehand, or it would have mentioned animals as well.

Prohibited After Adam's Sin Until the Flood

Adam was initially allowed to eat meat but after sinning in the garden, he lost this privilege until the flood atoned for his sins.

"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה" – According to this position, this statement was first said to Adm after he sinned by eating of the Tree of Knowledge in the garden.10  Originally he was permitted to eat meat, but after the sin Hashem limited his food to vegetation.11
Why the change? Rashba explains that in sinning, man let his physical side overcome his intellectual side, lowering him to the level of animals.  Once he was no longer distinguished from beasts and no longer superior to them he lost the privilege of killing them to serve himself (although he was still permitted to sacrifice of them for Hashem).12
"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה" – Since the flood served to atone for Adam's sin, afterwards Hashem renewed permission to eat meat, but accompanied the statement with a reminder that spilling human blood is prohibited.
Parallel Cases – Rashba suggests that the stages here parallel the stages regarding the permission granted to eat meat for pleasure  (בשר תאוה) in the desert.13  He suggests that initially this was permitted, but with the sin of the Golden Calf, it was prohibited and only sacrificial meat was allowed. With entry into Israel, the nation was forgiven and permission to eat meat was renewed.
Evaluation of eating meat – This position views eating animals as the norm and a sign of man's superiority, while a diet lacking meat is considered a punishment.
Sacrifices before the flood – Rashba asserts that even when meat was forbidden as a food source, it was still permitted to sacrifice to Hashem of them.
Were animals always carnivorous?

Permitted After the Flood

Man was not given permission to eat meat until after the flood.  Commentators differ in their understanding of the reason for the change.

Permission was granted as a reward

As a reward for caring for the animals on the ark, Noach and future generations were given permission to eat meat.

"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה" – According to these sources, this statement limited man's intake to vegetation. Ramban asserts that it also served to slightly elevate man above other creatures since only he was permitted seeds and fruit, while the birds and beasts were only given grasses.
"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה" – Ramban assumes that the word "רֶמֶשׂ" includes all living creatures from bird to fish, while Radak suggests that the verse is missing a "ויו" and should read as if written, "all creeping creatures and all that are alive."  As such, the verse is speaking about all animals and represents a new command, permitting what had before been prohibited.
"כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כֹּל" – Hashem compares meat to vegetation to teach Noach that the two are now comparable and he can eat meat just as he had eaten greens.
Why was meat originally prohibited?
  • According to Radak, there was no fundamental reason for the original prohibition.  Hashem simply wanted to save meat as a future reward for Noach.14
  • Ramban assumes that man was prohibited from killing animals since the two were similar in stature, with both able to feel pain and desiring to escape death.
Why the change? Though all these sources assume that eating meat was a reward for Noach's role in saving the animals during the flood they differ in the details.  While Radak views this simply as compensation for Noach's labor and good deeds, R"Y Bekhor Shor suggests that in saving the animals, Noach gained certain rights over them and they became his to do with as he pleased.  Ramban implies that Noach's actions revealed that man was in fact superior to the animals, thus removing the original reason for the prohibition.
Evaluation of eating meat – This position maintains that there is nothing wrong with eating meat.  In fact, according to Radak, it would seem that Hashem considers it, rather than vegetables, the more worthy food, and thus saved it as a reward.  R"Y Bekhor Shor and Ramban more simply suggest that there is a hierarchy to living beings, and thus, since man is superior to animals, he has the right to kill them.
Sacrifices before the flood
Were animals always carniverous

Permission was a concession

After the flood, mankind was allowed to eat animals as a concession to human frailties.

"הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת כׇּל עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע ... לְאׇכְלָה" – According to these sources, the command to Adam only mentions vegetation, and as such, excluded animals.
"כׇּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאׇכְלָה" – It was first with Hashem's blessing to Noach that meat was permitted.
Why was meat originally prohibited?

Original prohibition was a practical necessity

Adam was not prohibited from eating meat for any fundamental reason, but rather due to the scarcity of animals at the time or lack of knowledge regarding how to cook them.