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<p>Sometimes, people are punished more severely than their sins call for.&#160; This position subdivides in how it explains why this is justified:</p>
 
<p>Sometimes, people are punished more severely than their sins call for.&#160; This position subdivides in how it explains why this is justified:</p>
 
<opinion>Natural Order
 
<opinion>Natural Order
<p>Since this world is run via natural order, it is possible that the people might receive more than their proper share of retribution.</p>
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<p>Since this world is run via natural order, it is possible that the nation might receive more than its proper share of retribution.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RashiYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="KeliYekarVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Keli Yekar</a><a href="KeliYekarVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shelomo Ephraim Luntschitz (Keli Yekar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Ephraim Luntschitz</a></multilink>,<multilink><a href="ShadalYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source"> ר׳ שלמה מאריגי</a><a href="ShadalYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">cited by Shadal Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Shemuel David Luzzatto (Shadal)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel David Luzzatto</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RashiYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="KeliYekarVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Keli Yekar</a><a href="KeliYekarVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shelomo Ephraim Luntschitz (Keli Yekar)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Ephraim Luntschitz</a></multilink>,<multilink><a href="ShadalYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source"> ר׳ שלמה מאריגי</a><a href="ShadalYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">cited by Shadal Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Shemuel David Luzzatto (Shadal)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel David Luzzatto</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
 
<point><b>Divine providence vs. natural order</b></point>
 
<point><b>Divine providence vs. natural order</b></point>
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<category name="Punishment Less Harsh">
 
<category name="Punishment Less Harsh">
 
Punishment Less Harsh than Appears
 
Punishment Less Harsh than Appears
<p>The verse's description of the punishment makes it sound worse than it really is.&#160; In reality, though, the nation did not suffer more than deserved.</p>
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<p>The verse's description of the punishment makes it sound worse than it really is.&#160; As such, the nation did not really suffer more than deserved.</p>
 
<mekorot>Perhaps <multilink><a href="RashbamVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, perhaps <multilink><a href="IbnEzraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="IbnEzraYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="REliezerofBeaugencyYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">R. Eliezer of Beaugency</a><a href="REliezerofBeaugencyYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Eliezer of Beaugency" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer of Beaugency</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
 
<mekorot>Perhaps <multilink><a href="RashbamVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, perhaps <multilink><a href="IbnEzraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="IbnEzraYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="REliezerofBeaugencyYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">R. Eliezer of Beaugency</a><a href="REliezerofBeaugencyYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. Eliezer of Beaugency" data-aht="parshan">About R. Eliezer of Beaugency</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
 
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Version as of 08:00, 31 May 2018

Manifold Punishment

Exegetical Approaches

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Punished More than Deserved

Sometimes, people are punished more severely than their sins call for.  This position subdivides in how it explains why this is justified:

Natural Order

Since this world is run via natural order, it is possible that the nation might receive more than its proper share of retribution.

Divine providence vs. natural order
Punishment in this world or the next

Vicarious Punishment of Children

Hashem's system of justice allows for the vicarious (or collective) punishment of children for their parent's sins, resulting in undue suffering of the descendant.

Punishment Less Harsh than Appears

The verse's description of the punishment makes it sound worse than it really is.  As such, the nation did not really suffer more than deserved.

Sin More Egregious than Appears