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<category>The Choshen Stones | <category>The Choshen Stones | ||
| − | <mekorot><multilink><a href="אוצרהגאוניםברכותהתשובותו" data-aht="source">Rav Shrira Gaon</a><a href="אוצרהגאוניםברכותהתשובותו" data-aht="source">אוצר הגאונים ברכות התשובות ו'</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="IbnEzraShemotSecondCommentary28-6" data-aht="source">Lekach Tov</a><a href="IbnEzraShemotSecondCommentary28-6" data-aht="source">Shemot 29:15</a><a href="R. Toviah b. Eliezer (Lekach Tov)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Toviah b. Eliezer</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1_2" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1_2" data-aht="source">Hilkhot Beit HaBechirah 4:1</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RAvrahambHaRambamShemot28-30" data-aht="source">R. Avraham b. HaRambam</a><a href="RAvrahambHaRambamShemot28-30" data-aht="source">Shemot 28:30</a><a href="R. Avraham Maimonides" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham Maimonides</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <p>The Urim and Tummim are identified with the stones of the Choshen on which were the names of the tribes.</p> |
| − | <point><b>Why are they called Urim and Tumim?</b> Rav Shrira Gaon explains that although they are the same as the Choshen stones they got a special name as a sign of praise.</point> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="אוצרהגאוניםברכותהתשובותו" data-aht="source">Rav Shrira Gaon</a><a href="אוצרהגאוניםברכותהתשובותו" data-aht="source">אוצר הגאונים ברכות התשובות ו'</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="IbnEzraShemotSecondCommentary28-6" data-aht="source">Lekach Tov</a><a href="IbnEzraShemotSecondCommentary28-6" data-aht="source">Shemot 29:15</a><a href="R. Toviah b. Eliezer (Lekach Tov)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Toviah b. Eliezer</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1_2" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1_2" data-aht="source">Hilkhot Beit HaBechirah 4:1</a><a href="RambamHilkhotKeleiHaMikdash10-10-13" data-aht="source">Hilkhot Kelei HaMikdash 10:10-13</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink>,<fn>Rambam is not explicit, but this is how he has been understood by many later commentators.  See, for example, <multilink><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahShemot28-30" data-aht="source">HaKetav VeHaKabbalah</a><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahShemot28-30" data-aht="source">Shemot 28:30</a><a href="R. Yaakov Mecklenburg (HaKetav VeHaKabbalah)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov Mecklenburg</a></multilink>.</fn> <multilink><a href="RAvrahambHaRambamShemot28-30" data-aht="source">R. Avraham b. HaRambam</a><a href="RAvrahambHaRambamShemot28-30" data-aht="source">Shemot 28:30</a><a href="R. Avraham Maimonides" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham Maimonides</a></multilink></mekorot> |
| − | <point><b> | + | <point><b>Relationship between 28:29 and 28:30</b></point> |
| − | <point><b> | + | <point><b>Why are they not described?</b> Since the Urim and Tummin are identical with the stones of teh Choshen,</point> |
| + | <point><b>Why are the Urim and Tumim not mentioned in Shemot 39?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Why are they called Urim and Tumim?</b><ul> | ||
| + | <li>Rav Shrira Gaon explains that although they are the same as the Choshen stones they got a special name as a sign of praise.</li> | ||
| + | <li>Lekach Tov</li> | ||
| + | </ul></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>"וְנָתַתָּ אֶל חֹשֶׁן הַמִּשְׁפָּט אֶת הָאוּרִים וְאֶת הַתֻּמִּים"</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>What is the relationship between Urim and Tumim?</b> This position would suggest that there is no difference between the Urim and Tummim. When the Urim is mentioned alone, it is simply an abbreviation.</point> | ||
<point><b>How did the שאלה work?</b></point> | <point><b>How did the שאלה work?</b></point> | ||
<point><b>Missing letters</b></point> | <point><b>Missing letters</b></point> | ||
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<point><b>Vayikra 8:8</b></point> | <point><b>Vayikra 8:8</b></point> | ||
<point><b>בית שני</b></point> | <point><b>בית שני</b></point> | ||
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<point><b>Vayikra 8:8</b></point> | <point><b>Vayikra 8:8</b></point> | ||
<point><b>בית שני</b></point> | <point><b>בית שני</b></point> | ||
| + | </category> | ||
| + | <category>Astrological Signs | ||
| + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="RambamHilkhotBeitHaBechirah4-1" data-aht="source">Shemot First Commentary 28:30</a><a href="IbnEzraShemotSecondCommentary28-6_2" data-aht="source">Shemot Second Commentary 28:6</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemotBeurHaMilot28-30" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemotBeurHaMilot28-30" data-aht="source">Shemot Beur HaMilot 28:30</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Lottery | <category>Lottery | ||
Version as of 14:02, 25 January 2022
Urim VeTumim
Exegetical Approaches
The Choshen Stones
The Urim and Tummim are identified with the stones of the Choshen on which were the names of the tribes.
Relationship between 28:29 and 28:30
Why are they not described? Since the Urim and Tummin are identical with the stones of teh Choshen,
Why are the Urim and Tumim not mentioned in Shemot 39?
Why are they called Urim and Tumim?
- Rav Shrira Gaon explains that although they are the same as the Choshen stones they got a special name as a sign of praise.
- Lekach Tov
"וְנָתַתָּ אֶל חֹשֶׁן הַמִּשְׁפָּט אֶת הָאוּרִים וְאֶת הַתֻּמִּים"
What is the relationship between Urim and Tumim? This position would suggest that there is no difference between the Urim and Tummim. When the Urim is mentioned alone, it is simply an abbreviation.
How did the שאלה work?
Missing letters
Vayikra 8:8
בית שני
Script
What were the Urim and Tumim?
- כתב שם המפורש - Rashi explains that in between כפלי החושן they put כתב שם המפורש which shined and showed the right answers.
- Alphabet letters - Shadal explains that there were small pieces of wood or metal that had the alphabet letters on them that were put in the Choshen.
What is the relationship between Urim and Tumim?
Why are they called Urim and Tumim?
How did the שאלה work?
Relationship between 28:29 and 28:30
Why are the Urim and Tumim not mentioned in Shemot 39?
Vayikra 8:8
בית שני
