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<li>Malbim, instead, suggests that the two signs represented the two stages of the battle, with the water consistently representing victory.&#160; The first battle against Midyan was won by Gidon and just a small army (the fleece alone), while the other soldiers (the floor) left.<fn>Though initially Gidon had gather troops from several tribes, Hashem told him to reduce the size of his army, and after the water test he was left with just 300 men.</fn>&#160; The success of the second battle, in contrast, was due to the other tribes (the entire floor), rather than the actions of Gidon (the fleece).<fn>Malbim notes that Gidon himself attributes success not to himself but to the other tribes, "מֶה עָשִׂיתִי עַתָּה כָּכֶם הֲלֹא טוֹב עֹלְלוֹת אֶפְרַיִם מִבְצִיר אֲבִיעֶזֶר".</fn></li>
 
<li>Malbim, instead, suggests that the two signs represented the two stages of the battle, with the water consistently representing victory.&#160; The first battle against Midyan was won by Gidon and just a small army (the fleece alone), while the other soldiers (the floor) left.<fn>Though initially Gidon had gather troops from several tribes, Hashem told him to reduce the size of his army, and after the water test he was left with just 300 men.</fn>&#160; The success of the second battle, in contrast, was due to the other tribes (the entire floor), rather than the actions of Gidon (the fleece).<fn>Malbim notes that Gidon himself attributes success not to himself but to the other tribes, "מֶה עָשִׂיתִי עַתָּה כָּכֶם הֲלֹא טוֹב עֹלְלוֹת אֶפְרַיִם מִבְצִיר אֲבִיעֶזֶר".</fn></li>
 
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<point><b>The water test</b> – Abarbanel and Malbim assert that the purpose of this test was to differentiate idolaters from those who worshiped Hashem. All those who bowed down to drink were presumed to have been accustomed to prostrating before the Baal. These sources might suggest that Hashem's division served to alleviate Gidon's concerns as it ensured that those fighting were those worthy of the salvation.</point>
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<point><b>The water test</b> – Abarbanel and Malbim assert that the purpose of this test was to differentiate idolaters from those who worshiped Hashem. All those who bowed down to drink were presumed to have been accustomed to prostrating before the Baal. These sources might suggest that Hashem's division served to alleviate Gidon's concerns as it ensured that those fighting were those worthy of the salvation.<fn>Hashem's choice of language might support this idea.&#160; In speaking of reducing the size of the army, Hashem tells Gidon, "וְאֶצְרְפֶנּוּ לְךָ שָׁם".&#160; The root צרף has the connotation of purifying, suggesting that in differentiating the two groups Hashem was actually purifying the troops.</fn></point>
 
<point><b>Biblical parallels</b></point>
 
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<category>Lack of Faith
 
<category>Lack of Faith
 
<p>Gidon did not have full belief in Hashem, and therefore repeatedly asked for signs that Hashem would indeed bring salvation.</p>
 
<p>Gidon did not have full belief in Hashem, and therefore repeatedly asked for signs that Hashem would indeed bring salvation.</p>
<mekorot>perhaps <multilink><a href="RalbagShofetim6-36" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-14" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:14</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-36" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:36</a><a href="RalbagShofetim7-5" data-aht="source">Shofetim 7:5</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink></mekorot>
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<mekorot>perhaps <multilink><a href="RalbagShofetim6-36" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-14" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:14</a><a href="RalbagShofetim6-36" data-aht="source">Shofetim 6:36</a><a href="RalbagShofetim7-5" data-aht="source">Shofetim 7:5</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink><fn>See also E. Asis "Self Interest or Communal Interest: An Ideology of Leaderhip in the Gidon, Abimelech, and Jefthah Narratives," (Boston, 2005): 15-127, who also views Gidon as traveling on a path towards belief, which is rocked by doubts and hesitancy.</fn></mekorot>
<point><b>Gidon's religious beliefs</b> – According to this position, Gidon might have grown up worshiping the Baal, like his father and fellow townsfolk.&#160; Although Hashem commanded him to destroy the idolatrous altar, and he acquiesced, Gidon might not have as of yet attained full belief.&#160; Part of him still questioned whom to&#160; trust.</point>
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<point><b>Gidon's religious beliefs</b> – According to this position, Gidon might have grown up worshiping the Baal, like his father and fellow townsfolk. He lived with an Asherah and idolatrous altar in his backyard, and was probably influenced by their worship.<fn>suggests that even the Elah tree where the angel met Gidon was a site of Yoash's idolatry.</fn>&#160;<fn>Even in his destruction of the altar it is clear that Gidon does not have pure faith.&#160; he</fn> As such, his story is that of a journey to faith, not of a leader who is infused with it from the beginning..</point>
<point><b>Was Gidon a prophet</b> – Ralbag maintains that despite all the verses which seem to suggest that Gidon conversed with Hashem, he did not have prophetic status. &#160; and all the verses in which he appears to converse with Hashem really refer to his speaking with Hashem's messenger instead.<fn>Thus when the verses says "וַיֹּאמֶר לוֹ י"י" or "וַיֹּאמֶר גִּדְעוֹן אֶל הָאֱלֹהִים", the word "Hashem/ Elokim" refer to a prophet, who is called after the One who sent him (שלוחו של אדם כמותו).</fn> Ralbag claims that if Gidon was at a level to receive full prophecies, there is no way that he would need to ask for signs.</point>
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<point><b>Was Gidon a prophet</b> – Ralbag maintains that despite all the verses which seem to suggest that Gidon conversed with Hashem, he did not have prophetic status.&#160; The name Hashem in those verses simply refers to God's messenger (שלוחו של אדם כמות) and mean that Gidon was speaking to a prophet.<fn><p>Thus when the verses says "וַיֹּאמֶר לוֹ י"י" or "וַיֹּאמֶר גִּדְעוֹן אֶל הָאֱלֹהִים",&#160; they should be understood as "וַיֹּאמֶר לוֹ הנביא" or "וַיֹּאמֶר גִּדְעוֹן אֶל איש הָאֱלֹהִים".</p>
<point><b>Conversation with the angel: "?וְיֵשׁ י"י עִמָּנוּ"</b> – Gidon's initial remarks to the angel might betray these doubts.&#160; Though he had heard stories of Hashem's past wonders, he was not sure if Hashem still cared for His nation.</point>
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<point><b>Initial sign of angel</b> – As Gidon wavered in his religious beliefs he was not confident that the messenger speaking to him was really sent by Hashem, leading him to ask for a sign.</point>
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<p>&#160;</p></fn> Ralbag claims that if Gidon was at a level to receive full prophecies, there is no way that he would need to ask for signs.</point>
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<point><b>Conversation with the angel: "?וְיֵשׁ י"י עִמָּנוּ"</b> – Gidon's initial remarks to the angel betray his uncertainties. Though he has heard stories of Hashem's past wonders, he is not sure if Hashem still cares for His nation. He defiantly questions God's providence and presence.</point>
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<point><b>Initial sign of angel</b> – As Gidon wavered in his religious beliefs he was not confident that the messenger speaking to him was really sent by Hashem, leading him to ask for proof.</point>
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<point><b>Destruction of the altar</b> – According to this approach the command to destroy the altar might not have been intended as a lesson just for the town's people, but for Gidon himself.&#160; Despite his acquiescence Although Hashem commanded him to destroy his father's altar to the Baal, and he acquiesced, Gidon had not as yet attained full belief, and he vacillated between trust in God and doubting of Him.13</point>
 
<point><b>Sign of fleece</b> – Ralbag explains that despite the angel's actions, Gidon "still believed and did not believe" requiring a new set of signs.&#160; It is also possible that the desire for portents was influenced by surrounding cultures who trusted in such oracles.</point>
 
<point><b>Sign of fleece</b> – Ralbag explains that despite the angel's actions, Gidon "still believed and did not believe" requiring a new set of signs.&#160; It is also possible that the desire for portents was influenced by surrounding cultures who trusted in such oracles.</point>
 
<point><b>Need for a double sign?</b> Ralbag explains that the initial sign did not suffice to quiet Gidon's hesitation as it could be explained naturally.&#160; It is not particularly miraculous that wool might absorb the surrounding water. Its staying dry while dew wets the floor around it, however, reflects Divine intervention.</point>
 
<point><b>Need for a double sign?</b> Ralbag explains that the initial sign did not suffice to quiet Gidon's hesitation as it could be explained naturally.&#160; It is not particularly miraculous that wool might absorb the surrounding water. Its staying dry while dew wets the floor around it, however, reflects Divine intervention.</point>

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Gidon's Testing of Hashem

Exegetical Approaches

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Self doubt

Gidon did not doubt Hashem's abilities but whether he and/or the nation were worthy of Hashem's salvation.

Sources:R. Saadia Gaon, Abarbanel, Malbim
Gidon's religious beliefs – According to Abarbanel, Gidon was not only righteous and God fearing, but a prophet as well, as proven by all the instances in the chapters in which Hashem converses with him. As such, it is not possible that he was really doubting or testing Hashem.
Conversation with the angel: "?וְיֵשׁ י"י עִמָּנוּ" – Gidon's words do not constitute a lack of belief but a rebuke of Hashem for abandoning His people and hiding His face.1  Malbim2 claims that Gidon mentions Hashem's wonders in Egypt (וְאַיֵּה כׇל נִפְלְאֹתָיו אֲשֶׁר סִפְּרוּ לָנוּ אֲבוֹתֵינוּ לֵאמֹר הֲלֹא מִמִּצְרַיִם הֶעֱלָנוּ י"י) to point out to Hashem that even when the nation sinned in the past, Hashem saved them. Thus, now too, Hashem should have come to the nation's aid despite their idolatry, yet "וְעַתָּה נְטָשָׁנוּ י"י" (now Hashem has cast us off).
Initial sign of angel – According to Abarbanel, even when Gidon asked for a sign from the angel he was not asking for proof that Hashem would save the nation, but rather evidence that the person with whom he was speaking was really a messenger of Hashem.3
Sign of fleece – Though all these sources agree that the request for a sign stemmed from a feeling of unworthiness, they disagree regarding who Gidon felt was unworthy:
  • According to R. Saadia and Abarbanel, Gidon asked for this second sign to see whether he himself was worthy of such a miracle.4  They, thus, place Gidon alongside other humble leaders such as Moshe who question, "מִי אָנֹכִי כִּי אֵלֵךְ אֶל פַּרְעֹה".‎5
  • Malbim, in contrast, suggests that the request stemmed from Gidon's doubting of the nation's worthiness.  The people's angry reaction to Gidon's destroying of the Baal's altar proved that they were still idolatrous, making him doubt whether Hashem would make him victorious.
Need for a double sign? Malbim6 suggests that Gidon was not convinced by the first sign since he realized that naturally it was possible that the absorbent fleece would gather into it all the water, and so he asked for the opposite phenomenon which would be totally against nature.
Significance of fleece and dew
  • Abarbanel suggests that the sign was chosen for its symbolic value. In the first test, the small fleece represented the weak Gidon, the dew symbolized Hashem's salvation, and the threshing floor stood for the enemy nation.  Gidon asked Hashem to show him that salvation would come to him alone, and not to his foes.  In the second sign, the dew took on a different symbolism, that of cursed waters.  Thus the threshing floor/enemies were drenched, while Gidon remained dry and unscathed.7
  • Malbim, instead, suggests that the two signs represented the two stages of the battle, with the water consistently representing victory.  The first battle against Midyan was won by Gidon and just a small army (the fleece alone), while the other soldiers (the floor) left.8  The success of the second battle, in contrast, was due to the other tribes (the entire floor), rather than the actions of Gidon (the fleece).9
The water test – Abarbanel and Malbim assert that the purpose of this test was to differentiate idolaters from those who worshiped Hashem. All those who bowed down to drink were presumed to have been accustomed to prostrating before the Baal. These sources might suggest that Hashem's division served to alleviate Gidon's concerns as it ensured that those fighting were those worthy of the salvation.10
Biblical parallels

Lack of Faith

Gidon did not have full belief in Hashem, and therefore repeatedly asked for signs that Hashem would indeed bring salvation.

Gidon's religious beliefs – According to this position, Gidon might have grown up worshiping the Baal, like his father and fellow townsfolk. He lived with an Asherah and idolatrous altar in his backyard, and was probably influenced by their worship.12 13 As such, his story is that of a journey to faith, not of a leader who is infused with it from the beginning..
Was Gidon a prophet – Ralbag maintains that despite all the verses which seem to suggest that Gidon conversed with Hashem, he did not have prophetic status.  The name Hashem in those verses simply refers to God's messenger (שלוחו של אדם כמות) and mean that Gidon was speaking to a prophet.14 Ralbag claims that if Gidon was at a level to receive full prophecies, there is no way that he would need to ask for signs.
Conversation with the angel: "?וְיֵשׁ י"י עִמָּנוּ" – Gidon's initial remarks to the angel betray his uncertainties. Though he has heard stories of Hashem's past wonders, he is not sure if Hashem still cares for His nation. He defiantly questions God's providence and presence.
Initial sign of angel – As Gidon wavered in his religious beliefs he was not confident that the messenger speaking to him was really sent by Hashem, leading him to ask for proof.
Destruction of the altar – According to this approach the command to destroy the altar might not have been intended as a lesson just for the town's people, but for Gidon himself.  Despite his acquiescence Although Hashem commanded him to destroy his father's altar to the Baal, and he acquiesced, Gidon had not as yet attained full belief, and he vacillated between trust in God and doubting of Him.13
Sign of fleece – Ralbag explains that despite the angel's actions, Gidon "still believed and did not believe" requiring a new set of signs.  It is also possible that the desire for portents was influenced by surrounding cultures who trusted in such oracles.
Need for a double sign? Ralbag explains that the initial sign did not suffice to quiet Gidon's hesitation as it could be explained naturally.  It is not particularly miraculous that wool might absorb the surrounding water. Its staying dry while dew wets the floor around it, however, reflects Divine intervention.
Small army – Hashem's explanation that a small army was necessary so that all would recognize the Hand of Hashem and not attribute success to human might might have been aimed at Gidon just as much as the rest of the nation.  He, too, needed "proof" that Hashem was behind the victory.
The water test?
"לַי"י וּלְגִדְעוֹן"
The Efod

Intervening Events

Although Gidon initially trusted in the words of the angel, intervening events led him to question the promise of salvation.

Sources:Prof. Y. Elitzur