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<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliPesachim87a-b" data-aht="source">Bavli Pesachim</a><a href="BavliPesachim87a-b" data-aht="source">Pesachim 87a-b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RidHoshea1-2" data-aht="source">Rid</a><a href="RidHoshea1-2" data-aht="source">Hoshea 1:2</a><a href="R. Yeshayah of Trani (Rid)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yeshayah of Trani</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimHosheaBeurHaInyan1-2" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimHosheaBeurHaInyan1-2" data-aht="source">Hoshea Beur HaInyan 1:2</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliPesachim87a-b" data-aht="source">Bavli Pesachim</a><a href="BavliPesachim87a-b" data-aht="source">Pesachim 87a-b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RidHoshea1-2" data-aht="source">Rid</a><a href="RidHoshea1-2" data-aht="source">Hoshea 1:2</a><a href="R. Yeshayah of Trani (Rid)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yeshayah of Trani</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimHosheaBeurHaInyan1-2" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimHosheaBeurHaInyan1-2" data-aht="source">Hoshea Beur HaInyan 1:2</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Would Hashem command a prophet to sin?</b><ul>
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<point><b>Can Hashem command a prophet to sin?</b> These sources offer two possible answers to this question:<br/>
<li>The Rid says explicitly that since Hashem is the one who commanded not to take a prostitute, he can also say that it is allowed ("הפה שאסר הוא הפה שהתיר"). The Malbim also agrees and says that Hashem sometimes gives a הוראת שעה and commands of something for a specific moment which is not according to the Torah laws.</li>
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<li>The Malbim says that in our case there was actually no prohibition since a prostitute in only prohibited for a Kohen and not for a regular Israelite.</li>
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<li>The Rid says explicitly that since Hashem is the one who prohibited the taking of prostitutes, He can also permit marriage to one ("הפה שאסר הוא הפה שהתיר"). The Malbim agrees, pointing out that Hashem sometimes gives a one time command (הוראת שעה) which does&#160; not accord with Torah law so as to achieve a larger goal</li>
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<li>The Malbim claims that Hashem's command actually does not involve any prohibition, since a prostitute in only prohibited to a priest and not to a regular Israelite.</li>
 
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<point><b>What is the meaning of this prophecy?</b></point>
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<point><b>Purpose of the command</b> – Bavli Pesachim asserts that the command was meant to teach Hoshea a lesson in mercy, so that he could empathize with Hashem's feelings towards the nation. Despite the fact that the nation "prostituted" with other gods, Hashem did not want to abandon them, since He still loved them.&#160; Hashem forced Hoshea to fell the same when told to abandon his own prostituting wife. This goal could not have been accomplished were the command simply an analogy.</point>
<point><b>To whom is this prophecy intended?</b> Bavli Pesachim says that Hoshea's was commanded to take a prostitute as a wife in order to teach him a lesson, Hashem was trying to show Hoshea how to ask for mercy for the Children of Israel.</point>
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<point><b>To whom is this prophecy intended?</b> According to the Bavli, the prophecy seems to be aimed more at Hoshea than the nation itself.</point>
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<point><b>Assumptions</b> – The Bavli makes two assumptions, first that Hoshea did not easily defend the nation, preferred that they be punished for their sins, and second, that he was upset about leaving his wife. Neither of these points, however, are explicit in the text.</point>
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<point><b>What is the meaning of this prophecy?</b> This position views the prophecy as mainly one of comfort rather than chastisement.</point>
 
<point><b>Hoshea 3</b></point>
 
<point><b>Hoshea 3</b></point>
<point><b>Other stories where prophets are commanded to sin</b> – The Malbim holds that in general in Tanakh there are הוראות שעה which allow something that is prohibited in Torah. For example: Yechezkel's shaving of his פאות, Eliyahu's sacrificing outside of the Mikdash.</point>
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<point><b>Other stories where prophets are commanded to sin</b> – The Malbim points to other cases where a prophet transgresses a Torah commandment such as Yechezkel's shaving of his sideburns and Eliyahu's sacrificing on a private altar outside of the Mikdash.<fn>It is not clear, however, if Eliyahu was acting on a Divine command or his own initiative.&#160; See <a href="Prophetic Actions Without Explicit Divine Sanction" data-aht="page">Prophetic Actions Without Explicit Divine Sanction</a>.</fn></point>
<point><b>Other stories in which prophets are commanded to do weird acts</b> – The Rid says that our story parallels Yehcezkel's sleeping on his side, there too Yechezkel actually did as Hashem told him. Though, the Rid does say that some cases were only בחיזיון like Yeshayahu walking barefoot for three years.</point>
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<point><b>Other stories in which prophets are commanded to do weird acts</b> – The Rid maintains that other bizarre acts done by prophets should also be read as having literally taken place, rather than simply being analogies.&#160; Thus, Yechezkel really slept on his side for months and Yeshayahu walked barefoot for three years.<fn>He does, however, raise the possibility that both of these&#160; took place only in a vision.</fn></point>
 
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<category>Hoshea did not marry a prostitute

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Hoshea's wife

Exegetical Approaches

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Hoshea married a prostitute

Can Hashem command a prophet to sin? These sources offer two possible answers to this question:
  • The Rid says explicitly that since Hashem is the one who prohibited the taking of prostitutes, He can also permit marriage to one ("הפה שאסר הוא הפה שהתיר"). The Malbim agrees, pointing out that Hashem sometimes gives a one time command (הוראת שעה) which does  not accord with Torah law so as to achieve a larger goal
  • The Malbim claims that Hashem's command actually does not involve any prohibition, since a prostitute in only prohibited to a priest and not to a regular Israelite.
Purpose of the command – Bavli Pesachim asserts that the command was meant to teach Hoshea a lesson in mercy, so that he could empathize with Hashem's feelings towards the nation. Despite the fact that the nation "prostituted" with other gods, Hashem did not want to abandon them, since He still loved them.  Hashem forced Hoshea to fell the same when told to abandon his own prostituting wife. This goal could not have been accomplished were the command simply an analogy.
To whom is this prophecy intended? According to the Bavli, the prophecy seems to be aimed more at Hoshea than the nation itself.
Assumptions – The Bavli makes two assumptions, first that Hoshea did not easily defend the nation, preferred that they be punished for their sins, and second, that he was upset about leaving his wife. Neither of these points, however, are explicit in the text.
What is the meaning of this prophecy? This position views the prophecy as mainly one of comfort rather than chastisement.
Hoshea 3
Other stories where prophets are commanded to sin – The Malbim points to other cases where a prophet transgresses a Torah commandment such as Yechezkel's shaving of his sideburns and Eliyahu's sacrificing on a private altar outside of the Mikdash.1
Other stories in which prophets are commanded to do weird acts – The Rid maintains that other bizarre acts done by prophets should also be read as having literally taken place, rather than simply being analogies.  Thus, Yechezkel really slept on his side for months and Yeshayahu walked barefoot for three years.2

Hoshea did not marry a prostitute

These commentators hold that this story did not happen for real and it was על דרך המשל or במראה הנבואה.

Would Hashem command a prophet to sin? These commentators hold that Hashem would not command a prophet to do something that is prohibited in the Torah and therefore this story did not happen for real.
What is the meaning of this prophecy?
To whom is this prophecy intended?
Hoshea 3
Other stories where prophets are commanded to sin – These commentators hold that also other stories where we hear that a prophet is commanded to do a prohibition, there too it is only במראה הנבואה. For example: Yechzkel's shaving of his פאות.
Other stories in which prophets are commanded to do weird acts – These commentators hold that also other stories where we hear that a prophet is commanded to do weird acts, there too they are only במראה הנבואה. For example: Yeshayahu's walking barefoot, Yechezkel's sleeping on his side.