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<point><b>When did Hashem retract His decree?</b><ul>
 
<point><b>When did Hashem retract His decree?</b><ul>
<li>Radak might suggest that even though there is no explicit evidence in the text of Shaul's repentance and Hashem's subsequent annulling of the punishment, it can be assumed to have occurred sometime in between the events of Chapters 14 and 15.</li>
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<li>Radak might suggest that even though there is no explicit evidence in the text of Shaul's repentance and Hashem's subsequent annulling of the punishment, it can be assumed to have occurred at some point in between the events of Chapters 14 and 15.</li>
<li>Alternatively, it is possible that the text hints to a renewal of the kingship in Chapter 11, when Shemuel says, "לְכוּ וְנֵלְכָה הַגִּלְגָּל <b>וּנְחַדֵּשׁ שָׁם הַמְּלוּכָה</b>".&#160; If so, Shaul's actions in the war against Amon constituted a correction of his original mistake in Gilgal, leading to an overturning of the decree.&#160; This approach, however, must posit that the stories are written out of order.&#160; See below for elaboration.</li>
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<li>Alternatively, it is possible that the text hints to a renewal of the kingship in Chapter 11, when Shemuel says, "לְכוּ וְנֵלְכָה הַגִּלְגָּל <b>וּנְחַדֵּשׁ שָׁם הַמְּלוּכָה</b>".&#160; If so, Shaul's actions in the war against Amon constituted a correction of his original mistake in Gilgal, leading to an overturning of the decree.&#160; This approach, however, must posit that the stories are written out of order.<fn>The&#160; true order of events would be: (1) the initial coronation of Chapter 10 (2) Shaul's sin at Gilgal and the war against the Philistines in Chapters 13-14 (3) the war against Amon and renewal of the kingship in Chapter 11, and (4) Shaul's second sin and loss of kingship during the Battle against Amalek in Chapter 15.</fn>&#160; See below for elaboration.</li>
 
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<point><b>Signs of achronology</b> – Several factors might suggest that the events of Chapters 13-14 preceded those of Chapter 11 and immediately followed the original coronation described in Chapter 10:<br/>
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<point><b>Signs of achronology</b> – Several factors might suggest that the events of Chapters 13-14 preceded those of Chapter 11 and immediately followed the original coronation described in Chapter 10:&#160; [For a full discussion of the issue, see Chronology of 8-15.]<br/>
 
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<li>In Chapter 10 Shemuel tells Shaul to wait for him for seven days in Gilgal, which he first does in Chapter 13-14. It is difficult to see how the events of Chapter 11 could have fit in the interim, suggesting that they are out of place, and that the war against the Philistines really did occur immediately after the coronation.</li>
 
<li>In Chapter 10 Shemuel tells Shaul to wait for him for seven days in Gilgal, which he first does in Chapter 13-14. It is difficult to see how the events of Chapter 11 could have fit in the interim, suggesting that they are out of place, and that the war against the Philistines really did occur immediately after the coronation.</li>
 
<li>In Chapters 13-14, Shaul fights the Philistines with just a small, local force in the manner of the judges, while in Chapter 11 he mobilizes the entire country to fight Amon, amassing an army of 300,000.&#160; The latter would seem to be a later stage in the building up of his military, and, moreover, would appear to be possible only after the Philistine threat was removed.</li>
 
<li>In Chapters 13-14, Shaul fights the Philistines with just a small, local force in the manner of the judges, while in Chapter 11 he mobilizes the entire country to fight Amon, amassing an army of 300,000.&#160; The latter would seem to be a later stage in the building up of his military, and, moreover, would appear to be possible only after the Philistine threat was removed.</li>
 
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</ul></point>
<point><b>The Sin of Chapters 13-14</b> – Shaul's sin at Gilgal related to his lack of recognition that victory in war is in Hashem's hands.&#160; He did not wait for Shemuel, assuming that if he did, he would lose the momentum of battle.&#160; In this, he forgot that his own personal might was less crucial to victory that Hashem's aid.&#160; See <a href="Shaul's Sin in Gilgal" data-aht="page">Shaul's Sin in Gilgal</a> for elaboration.</point>
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<point><b>Shaul's sin in Chapters 13-14</b> – Shaul's sin at Gilgal related to his lack of recognition that victory in war is in Hashem's hands.&#160; He did not wait for Shemuel, assuming that if he did, he would lose the momentum of battle.&#160; In this he forgot that his own personal might was less crucial to victory that Hashem's aid.&#160; See <a href="Shaul's Sin in Gilgal" data-aht="page">Shaul's Sin in Gilgal</a> for elaboration.</point>
<point><b>The Corrective of Chapter 11</b> – In his battle against Amon Shaul reveals that he has changed and learned to attribute success to God, as he says to the nation, "הַיּוֹם <b>עָשָׂה י"י תְּשׁוּעָה</b> בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל".&#8206;<fn>Even when he first embarks on battle, he tells the people to go to war "אַחֲרֵי שָׁאוּל וְאַחַר שְׁמוּאֵל", including the prophet in addition to himself.&#160; This, too, exhibits a realization of the need for prophetic aid.</fn>&#160; It is immediately after these words that Shemuel calls for a second coronation.</point>
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<point><b>The corrective of Chapter 11</b> – In his battle against Amon Shaul reveals that he has changed and learned to attribute success to God, as he says to the nation, "הַיּוֹם <b>עָשָׂה י"י תְּשׁוּעָה</b> בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל".&#8206;<fn>Even when he first embarks on battle, he tells the people to go to war "אַחֲרֵי שָׁאוּל וְאַחַר שְׁמוּאֵל", including the prophet in addition to himself.&#160; This, too, exhibits a realization of the need for prophetic aid.</fn>&#160; It is immediately after these words that Shemuel calls for a second coronation.</point>
<point><b>Repeat of Sin in Chapter 15</b> – In Chapter 15, Shaul reverts to his old attitude that victory is in the hands of man.&#160; By not consecrating the spoils of battle to Hashem, Shaul suggested that the nation did not need Hashem, and that he was the true victor. [See <a href="Shaul Loses the Kingship" data-aht="page">Shaul Loses the Kingship</a> for details.]&#160; Once this problematic flaw in his thinking resurfaced, he once again lost the kingship.</point>
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<point><b>Repeat of sin in Chapter 15</b> – In Chapter 15, Shaul reverts to his old attitude that victory is in the hands of man.&#160; By not consecrating the spoils of battle to Hashem, Shaul suggested that the nation did not need Hashem, and that he was the true victor. [See <a href="Shaul Loses the Kingship" data-aht="page">Shaul Loses the Kingship</a> for details.]&#160; Once this problematic flaw in his thinking resurfaced, he once again lost the kingship.</point>
<point><b>Reason for achronology</b> – According to this approach, once the monarchy was torn away from Shaul, the prophet decided to discuss all his failures together, rather than alternating between his high and low points as king. As such, the opening chapters portray a Shaul who is full of potential, making his later fall all the more devastating.<fn>A similar phenomenon can be found later in Sefer Shemuel in the context of David's reign.&#160; There too, the opening chapters focus on David's successes, while the second half of the book highlights the troubles in his kingdom after David sinned with Batsheva.</fn></point>
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<point><b>Reason for achronology</b> – According to this approach, once the monarchy was torn away from Shaul, the prophet decided to discuss all his failures together, rather than alternating between his high and low points as king. As such, the opening chapters portray a Shaul who is full of potential, making his later fall seem all the more devastating.<fn>A similar phenomenon can be found later in Sefer Shemuel in the context of David's reign.&#160; There too, the opening chapters focus on David's successes, while the second half of the book highlights the troubles in his kingdom after David sinned with Batsheva.</fn></point>
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<point><b>"וְלֹא עָשִׂיתָ חֲרוֹן אַפּוֹ בַּעֲמָלֵק "</b> – These sources could say that in Chapter 28 Shemuel blames the tearing away of Shaul's kingship on the sin by Amalek specifically, because it was only after this action that it was taken from Shaul forever.</point>
 
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<category>Two Stages
 
<category>Two Stages
 
<p>In Chapter 13, Shaul lost the possibility of forming a dynasty, whereas in Chapter 15 his own kingship was cut short.</p>
 
<p>In Chapter 13, Shaul lost the possibility of forming a dynasty, whereas in Chapter 15 his own kingship was cut short.</p>
 
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<point><b>"עַתָּה הֵכִין י"י אֶת מַמְלַכְתְּךָ אֶל יִשְׂרָאֵל עַד עוֹלָם."</b> – In Chapter 13 Shemuel speaks about losing the possibility of "eternal kingship" (עַד עוֹלָם), suggesting that he was not speaking of Shaul's personal reign but many generations worth of rulers.</point>
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<point><b>"עַתָּה הֵכִין י"י אֶת מַמְלַכְתְּךָ אֶל יִשְׂרָאֵל עַד עוֹלָם."</b> – In Chapter 13 Shemuel speaks about losing the possibility of eternal kingship ("עַד עוֹלָם"), suggesting that he was not speaking of Shaul's personal reign but many generations worth of rulers.</point>
 
<point><b>"וַיִּמְאָסְךָ י"י מִהְיוֹת מֶלֶךְ "</b> – In Chapter 15, Shemuel says to Shaul that Hashem has rejected him ("וַיִּמְאָסְ<b>ךָ</b>") from being king, focusing on the individual Shaul, rather than his dynasty</point>
 
<point><b>"וַיִּמְאָסְךָ י"י מִהְיוֹת מֶלֶךְ "</b> – In Chapter 15, Shemuel says to Shaul that Hashem has rejected him ("וַיִּמְאָסְ<b>ךָ</b>") from being king, focusing on the individual Shaul, rather than his dynasty</point>
<point><b>"וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה מִיָּדֶךָ"</b> – Radak brings further support for this position from Shemuel's rebuke in Chapter 28,<fn>By this point Shemuel has already died, but Radak refers to his speech after being revived by BA'alat Ha'Ov.</fn> where he points to Shaul's action in Amalek specifically as having caused Hashem to tear the kingship away from him and transfer it to David.&#160; The wording, "וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה <b>מִיָּדֶךָ</b>", and the context of Shaul's imminent death, emphasize that the sin in the war with Amalek caused Shaul's personal loss rather than that of his descendants.</point>
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<point><b>"וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה מִיָּדֶךָ"</b> – Radak brings further support for this position from Shemuel's rebuke in Chapter 28,<fn>By this point Shemuel has already died, but Radak refers to his speech after being revived by BA'alat Ha'Ov.</fn> where he points to Shaul's actions in Amalek specifically as having caused Hashem to tear the kingship away from him and transfer it to David.&#160; The wording, "וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה <b>מִיָּדֶךָ</b>", and the context of Shaul's imminent death, emphasize that the sin in the war with Amalek caused Shaul's personal loss rather than that of his descendants.</point>
<point><b>Relationship between the two sins</b></point>
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<point><b>Relationship between the two sins</b> – This approach need not posit that the sins in the two chapters were identical, though at the most basic level both involved disobedience to Hashem's directives. It is not clear why one should have merited the loss of the dynasty and the other the shortening of Shaul's personal kingship.<fn>One might suggest that in Gilgal, Shaul's sin related to his defiance of the prophet and lack of understanding that the king is subservient to the word of God. If this perspective was prevalent in the palace, a new line of kings was called for.&#160; If, during the battle of Amalek, one maintains that Shaul was punished onemaintains</fn>&#160; One might answer that during the battle of Amalek, Shaul's new punishment related not to his disobedience but to his lack of leadership qualities, and inability to stop the nation from sinning.&#160; Such a character flaw meant that his personal reign needed to be cut short.</point>
 
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<category>Human versus Divine Declaration
 
<category>Human versus Divine Declaration
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<p>In Chapter 13 Shemuel expresses his own personal opinion that Shaul's actions display an unworthiness to rule, but it is only in Chapter 15 that Hashem so decrees.</p>
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<point><b>הֶרֶף וְאַגִּידָה לְּךָ אֵת אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר י"י אֵלַי הַלָּיְלָה</b></point>
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<point><b>בִּקֵּשׁ י"י לוֹ אִישׁ כִּלְבָבוֹ וַיְצַוֵּהוּ י"י לְנָגִיד עַל עַמּוֹ</b> – According to this approach, this is not a prophecy regarding David (which would mean that Hashem Himself had already decided to replace Shaul) but a parenthetical statement referring to Shaul.&#160; Shemuel is sharing how Hashem had originally chosen Shaul as a king, hoping that he would be "" but now that he has disobeyed Hashem, his kingship will not last.<fn>Alternatively, Shemuel is saying on his own that Hashem is likely to replace Shaul with a king who will go after His own heart. Shemuel, however, spoke without having anyone specific in mind as his speech reflectedhis own thoughts and not Hashem's decree.</fn></point>
 
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Version as of 06:38, 4 November 2016

Losing the Kingship Twice?

Exegetical Approaches

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Given a Second Chance

After Shaul's original failure in Gilgal, he repented and was given a second chance.  Only after repeating his mistake did he lose the kingship for good.

When did Hashem retract His decree?
  • Radak might suggest that even though there is no explicit evidence in the text of Shaul's repentance and Hashem's subsequent annulling of the punishment, it can be assumed to have occurred at some point in between the events of Chapters 14 and 15.
  • Alternatively, it is possible that the text hints to a renewal of the kingship in Chapter 11, when Shemuel says, "לְכוּ וְנֵלְכָה הַגִּלְגָּל וּנְחַדֵּשׁ שָׁם הַמְּלוּכָה".  If so, Shaul's actions in the war against Amon constituted a correction of his original mistake in Gilgal, leading to an overturning of the decree.  This approach, however, must posit that the stories are written out of order.1  See below for elaboration.
Signs of achronology – Several factors might suggest that the events of Chapters 13-14 preceded those of Chapter 11 and immediately followed the original coronation described in Chapter 10:  [For a full discussion of the issue, see Chronology of 8-15.]
  • In Chapter 10 Shemuel tells Shaul to wait for him for seven days in Gilgal, which he first does in Chapter 13-14. It is difficult to see how the events of Chapter 11 could have fit in the interim, suggesting that they are out of place, and that the war against the Philistines really did occur immediately after the coronation.
  • In Chapters 13-14, Shaul fights the Philistines with just a small, local force in the manner of the judges, while in Chapter 11 he mobilizes the entire country to fight Amon, amassing an army of 300,000.  The latter would seem to be a later stage in the building up of his military, and, moreover, would appear to be possible only after the Philistine threat was removed.
Shaul's sin in Chapters 13-14 – Shaul's sin at Gilgal related to his lack of recognition that victory in war is in Hashem's hands.  He did not wait for Shemuel, assuming that if he did, he would lose the momentum of battle.  In this he forgot that his own personal might was less crucial to victory that Hashem's aid.  See Shaul's Sin in Gilgal for elaboration.
The corrective of Chapter 11 – In his battle against Amon Shaul reveals that he has changed and learned to attribute success to God, as he says to the nation, "הַיּוֹם עָשָׂה י"י תְּשׁוּעָה בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל".‎2  It is immediately after these words that Shemuel calls for a second coronation.
Repeat of sin in Chapter 15 – In Chapter 15, Shaul reverts to his old attitude that victory is in the hands of man.  By not consecrating the spoils of battle to Hashem, Shaul suggested that the nation did not need Hashem, and that he was the true victor. [See Shaul Loses the Kingship for details.]  Once this problematic flaw in his thinking resurfaced, he once again lost the kingship.
Reason for achronology – According to this approach, once the monarchy was torn away from Shaul, the prophet decided to discuss all his failures together, rather than alternating between his high and low points as king. As such, the opening chapters portray a Shaul who is full of potential, making his later fall seem all the more devastating.3
"וְלֹא עָשִׂיתָ חֲרוֹן אַפּוֹ בַּעֲמָלֵק " – These sources could say that in Chapter 28 Shemuel blames the tearing away of Shaul's kingship on the sin by Amalek specifically, because it was only after this action that it was taken from Shaul forever.

Two Stages

In Chapter 13, Shaul lost the possibility of forming a dynasty, whereas in Chapter 15 his own kingship was cut short.

"עַתָּה הֵכִין י"י אֶת מַמְלַכְתְּךָ אֶל יִשְׂרָאֵל עַד עוֹלָם." – In Chapter 13 Shemuel speaks about losing the possibility of eternal kingship ("עַד עוֹלָם"), suggesting that he was not speaking of Shaul's personal reign but many generations worth of rulers.
"וַיִּמְאָסְךָ י"י מִהְיוֹת מֶלֶךְ " – In Chapter 15, Shemuel says to Shaul that Hashem has rejected him ("וַיִּמְאָסְךָ") from being king, focusing on the individual Shaul, rather than his dynasty
"וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה מִיָּדֶךָ" – Radak brings further support for this position from Shemuel's rebuke in Chapter 28,4 where he points to Shaul's actions in Amalek specifically as having caused Hashem to tear the kingship away from him and transfer it to David.  The wording, "וַיִּקְרַע י"י אֶת הַמַּמְלָכָה מִיָּדֶךָ", and the context of Shaul's imminent death, emphasize that the sin in the war with Amalek caused Shaul's personal loss rather than that of his descendants.
Relationship between the two sins – This approach need not posit that the sins in the two chapters were identical, though at the most basic level both involved disobedience to Hashem's directives. It is not clear why one should have merited the loss of the dynasty and the other the shortening of Shaul's personal kingship.5  One might answer that during the battle of Amalek, Shaul's new punishment related not to his disobedience but to his lack of leadership qualities, and inability to stop the nation from sinning.  Such a character flaw meant that his personal reign needed to be cut short.

Human versus Divine Declaration

In Chapter 13 Shemuel expresses his own personal opinion that Shaul's actions display an unworthiness to rule, but it is only in Chapter 15 that Hashem so decrees.

הֶרֶף וְאַגִּידָה לְּךָ אֵת אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר י"י אֵלַי הַלָּיְלָה
בִּקֵּשׁ י"י לוֹ אִישׁ כִּלְבָבוֹ וַיְצַוֵּהוּ י"י לְנָגִיד עַל עַמּוֹ – According to this approach, this is not a prophecy regarding David (which would mean that Hashem Himself had already decided to replace Shaul) but a parenthetical statement referring to Shaul.  Shemuel is sharing how Hashem had originally chosen Shaul as a king, hoping that he would be "" but now that he has disobeyed Hashem, his kingship will not last.6