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<p>The sin for which the nation is punished is actually more severe than the verse makes it appear.&#160; As such, the harsh punishment described is justified.</p>
 
<p>The sin for which the nation is punished is actually more severe than the verse makes it appear.&#160; As such, the harsh punishment described is justified.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SifraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Sifra Vayikra</a><a href="SifraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">26:18</a><a href="Sifra Vayikra" data-aht="parshan">About the Sifra Vayikra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="EikhahRabbahIntroduction" data-aht="source">Eikhah Rabbah</a><a href="EikhahRabbahIntroduction" data-aht="source">Introduction</a><a href="Eikhah Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Eikhah Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="PaneachRazaVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Paneach Raza</a><a href="PaneachRazaVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yitzchak b. Yehuda" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak b. Yehuda</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Or HaChayyim</a><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Chayyim b. Atar (Or HaChayyim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chayyim b. Atar</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="SifraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Sifra Vayikra</a><a href="SifraVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">26:18</a><a href="Sifra Vayikra" data-aht="parshan">About the Sifra Vayikra</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="EikhahRabbahIntroduction" data-aht="source">Eikhah Rabbah</a><a href="EikhahRabbahIntroduction" data-aht="source">Introduction</a><a href="Eikhah Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Eikhah Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYeshayahu40-2" data-aht="source">Yeshayahu 40:2</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="PaneachRazaVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Paneach Raza</a><a href="PaneachRazaVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yitzchak b. Yehuda" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak b. Yehuda</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Or HaChayyim</a><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Chayyim b. Atar (Or HaChayyim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chayyim b. Atar</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>"וְיָסַפְתִּי לְיַסְּרָה אֶתְכֶם שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם"</b> – Most of these sources claim that the seven-fold punishment is measure for measure punishment for the nation's seven-fold transgression.&#160; As Hashem speaks of the people committing seven distinct sins,<fn>See the lists brought by <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> and <a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Or HaChayyim</a>.&#160; Each points to the immediately preceding verses in Vayikra, which speak of various iniquities committed by the nations.</fn> it is just that they receive seven punishments.</point>
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<point><b>"וְיָסַפְתִּי לְיַסְּרָה אֶתְכֶם שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם"</b> – Most of these sources claim that the seven-fold punishment is measure for measure punishment for the nation's seven-fold transgression.<fn>See the lists brought by <multilink><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a><a href="RYosefBekhorShorVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Yosef Bekhor Shor" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Bekhor Shor</a></multilink> and <multilink><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Or HaChayyim</a><a href="OrHaChayyimVayikra26-18" data-aht="source">Vayikra 26:18</a><a href="R. Chayyim b. Atar (Or HaChayyim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chayyim b. Atar</a></multilink>. Each points to the immediately preceding verses in Vayikra, which speak of various iniquities committed by the nations.</fn> As such, there is a one to one correspondence between sin and punishment, not seven to one.<fn>The phrase "וְיָסַפְתִּי לְיַסְּרָה אֶתְכֶם שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם" appears three times in Vayikra 26 (verses 18, 24 and 28) ) and one final time (verse 21) with a slight difference, "וְיָסַפְתִּי .עֲלֵיכֶם מַכָּה שֶׁבַע <b>כְּ</b>חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם" This wording might support the idea that the punishment was measure for measure - seven times, just like your (seven) sins.</fn></point>
 
<point><b>"כִּי לָקְחָה מִיַּד י"י כִּפְלַיִם בְּכׇל חַטֹּאתֶיהָ"</b> – Radak explains that the "double punishment" refers to the two exiles, each a punishment for its own set of sins. The nation's many crimes merited them two stints in exile.&#160; According to this reading, the prophecy of Yeshayahu speaks of Messianic times. Yeshayahu comforts the nation by telling them that since they have already suffered through two exilic periods, their punishment is finally complete, and the final redemption is at hand.</point>
 
<point><b>"כִּי לָקְחָה מִיַּד י"י כִּפְלַיִם בְּכׇל חַטֹּאתֶיהָ"</b> – Radak explains that the "double punishment" refers to the two exiles, each a punishment for its own set of sins. The nation's many crimes merited them two stints in exile.&#160; According to this reading, the prophecy of Yeshayahu speaks of Messianic times. Yeshayahu comforts the nation by telling them that since they have already suffered through two exilic periods, their punishment is finally complete, and the final redemption is at hand.</point>
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<point><b>"Seven" and "Double": Literal or figurative?</b> These sources read each of the terms literally, suggesting that Hashem speaks of either seven or two punishments, to match either seven or two sets of sins.</point>
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<point><b>Who is punished</b></point>
 
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Version as of 06:33, 4 June 2018

Manifold Punishment

Exegetical Approaches

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Punished More than Deserved

Sometimes, people are punished more severely than their sins call for.  This position subdivides in how it explains why this is justified:

Natural Order

Since this world is run via natural order, it is possible that the nation might receive more than its proper share of retribution.

Divine providence vs. natural order
Punishment in this world or the next

Vicarious Punishment of Children

Hashem's system of justice allows for the vicarious (or collective) punishment of children for their parent's sins, resulting in undue suffering of the descendant.

Punishment Less Harsh than Appears

Sin More Egregious than Appears

The sin for which the nation is punished is actually more severe than the verse makes it appear.  As such, the harsh punishment described is justified.

"וְיָסַפְתִּי לְיַסְּרָה אֶתְכֶם שֶׁבַע עַל חַטֹּאתֵיכֶם" – Most of these sources claim that the seven-fold punishment is measure for measure punishment for the nation's seven-fold transgression.1 As such, there is a one to one correspondence between sin and punishment, not seven to one.2
"כִּי לָקְחָה מִיַּד י"י כִּפְלַיִם בְּכׇל חַטֹּאתֶיהָ" – Radak explains that the "double punishment" refers to the two exiles, each a punishment for its own set of sins. The nation's many crimes merited them two stints in exile.  According to this reading, the prophecy of Yeshayahu speaks of Messianic times. Yeshayahu comforts the nation by telling them that since they have already suffered through two exilic periods, their punishment is finally complete, and the final redemption is at hand.
"Seven" and "Double": Literal or figurative? These sources read each of the terms literally, suggesting that Hashem speaks of either seven or two punishments, to match either seven or two sets of sins.
Who is punished