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<point><b>Yair and Machir, the sons of Menashe</b> – This position could explain, like <multilink><a href="IbnEzraBemidbar32-40" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra,</a><a href="IbnEzraBemidbar32-40" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:40</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink> that the verse is referring not to Machir or Yair themselves, but rather to their descendants.</point> | <point><b>Yair and Machir, the sons of Menashe</b> – This position could explain, like <multilink><a href="IbnEzraBemidbar32-40" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra,</a><a href="IbnEzraBemidbar32-40" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:40</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink> that the verse is referring not to Machir or Yair themselves, but rather to their descendants.</point> | ||
<point><b>What if Rueven and Gad had remained silent?</b> According to Prof. Elitzur, had it not been for Reuven and Gad, the lands of Sichon would probably not have been settled.  The lands of Og, in contrast, would have been apportioned, but perhaps only later, together with the rest of Canaan.</point> | <point><b>What if Rueven and Gad had remained silent?</b> According to Prof. Elitzur, had it not been for Reuven and Gad, the lands of Sichon would probably not have been settled.  The lands of Og, in contrast, would have been apportioned, but perhaps only later, together with the rest of Canaan.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Independence in the | + | <point><b>Independence in the Wilderness</b> – The variations of this approach makes one question the level of independence of the tribes in the Wilderness. Did they have permission to go off on their own and make personal conquests?  How would such expeditions have affected the rest of the nation?</point> |
</opinion> | </opinion> | ||
<opinion>Previous Conquests | <opinion>Previous Conquests | ||
<p>The cities Menashe requested had been conquered by the tribe of Menashe much earlier, during the era of Yosef's reign in Egypt.</p> | <p>The cities Menashe requested had been conquered by the tribe of Menashe much earlier, during the era of Yosef's reign in Egypt.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot>Student of R. Saadia, opinion brought by <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="פירושתלמידרסגדבריהימיםאב-כב" data-aht="source">Student of R. Saadia</a><a href="פירושתלמידרסגדבריהימיםאב-כב" data-aht="source">פירוש תלמיד רס"ג דברי הימים א ב':כ"ב</a></multilink>, opinion brought by <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>The original conquest</b><ul> | <point><b>The original conquest</b><ul> | ||
<li>According to the student of R. Saadia, the cities mentioned in Bemidbar 32 as being conquered by Menashe,<fn>He actually comments not on the verses in Bemidbar but on <a href="DivreiHaYamimI2-21-23" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 2:21-23</a> which also speaks of Chavot Yair and the lands of Menashe in Gilad.  The implication of his remarks, though, is that all these lands had previously belonged to the family of Yosef.</fn> had actually been originally conquered centuries before, when Yosef was a vizier in Egypt.<fn>See also <multilink><a href="RYehudaHeChasidShemot1-10" data-aht="source">R. Yehuda HeChasid</a><a href="RYehudaHeChasidShemot1-10" data-aht="source">Shemot 1:10 </a><a href="R. Yehuda HeChasid" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda HeChasid</a></multilink> who suggests that all of the tribes had portions that they had conquered in Israel and that during the sojourn in Egypt they would go back and forth periodically to check on their fields and vineyards. He proves from <a href="DivreiHaYamimI7-20-24" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 7:20-24</a> that throughout the period, the sons of Ephraim would return to build cities and collect taxes on their portions in Canaan. [<multilink><a href="#" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin 92b </a></multilink>similarly points to these verses as proof that the tribe of Ephraim returned to Israel before the period of enslavement had ended. Cf. <multilink><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimI7-21" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimI7-21" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 7:21</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink> who, in contrast, suggests that the verses are referring to an event that happened in the Wilderness period.]</fn></li> | <li>According to the student of R. Saadia, the cities mentioned in Bemidbar 32 as being conquered by Menashe,<fn>He actually comments not on the verses in Bemidbar but on <a href="DivreiHaYamimI2-21-23" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 2:21-23</a> which also speaks of Chavot Yair and the lands of Menashe in Gilad.  The implication of his remarks, though, is that all these lands had previously belonged to the family of Yosef.</fn> had actually been originally conquered centuries before, when Yosef was a vizier in Egypt.<fn>See also <multilink><a href="RYehudaHeChasidShemot1-10" data-aht="source">R. Yehuda HeChasid</a><a href="RYehudaHeChasidShemot1-10" data-aht="source">Shemot 1:10 </a><a href="R. Yehuda HeChasid" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yehuda HeChasid</a></multilink> who suggests that all of the tribes had portions that they had conquered in Israel and that during the sojourn in Egypt they would go back and forth periodically to check on their fields and vineyards. He proves from <a href="DivreiHaYamimI7-20-24" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 7:20-24</a> that throughout the period, the sons of Ephraim would return to build cities and collect taxes on their portions in Canaan. [<multilink><a href="#" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin 92b </a></multilink>similarly points to these verses as proof that the tribe of Ephraim returned to Israel before the period of enslavement had ended. Cf. <multilink><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimI7-21" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakDivreiHaYamimI7-21" data-aht="source">Divrei HaYamim I 7:21</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink> who, in contrast, suggests that the verses are referring to an event that happened in the Wilderness period.]</fn></li> | ||
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<p>Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.</p> | <p>Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.</p> | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-39" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:39</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-39" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:39</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
− | <point><b>Why did Moshe want | + | <point><b>Why did Moshe want Menashe to join?</b><ul> |
<li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban<fn>See also Ralbag.</fn> claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than offering it to anyone who would like to join.  These two commentators do not present Moshe as viewing settlement on the eastern bank as a rejection of the land, and thus do not find it problematic that Moshe cold offer the land to another tribe.  For elaboration on how they read the petition of the two tribes and Moshe's reaction to it, see <a href="Petition of the Two and a Half Tribes" data-aht="page">Petition of the Two and a Half Tribes</a>.</fn> </li> | <li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban<fn>See also Ralbag.</fn> claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than offering it to anyone who would like to join.  These two commentators do not present Moshe as viewing settlement on the eastern bank as a rejection of the land, and thus do not find it problematic that Moshe cold offer the land to another tribe.  For elaboration on how they read the petition of the two tribes and Moshe's reaction to it, see <a href="Petition of the Two and a Half Tribes" data-aht="page">Petition of the Two and a Half Tribes</a>.</fn> </li> | ||
<li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li> | <li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li> |
Latest revision as of 03:43, 6 November 2019
Menashe Joins Reuven and Gad
Exegetical Approaches
Individual Request
After Moshe finished negotiating with Reuven and Gad and acquiesced to their request to settle in the lands of Sichon, the tribe of Menashe approached with a personal, distinct request to settle the lands of Og. This position subdivides regarding when the lands requested were conquered:
Present Conquests
Menashe both asked for and conquered their territory in the fortieth year, after Reuven and Gad were granted their request to settle on the eastern bank of the Jordan.
- It is possible that the tribe of Menashe was wary of Moshe's reaction to a request to settle lands east of the Jordan, recognizing that he might find the petition problematic and a rejection of the Promised Land. They, therefore, decided to wait to gauge his response to Reuven and Gad before asking for their own territory.4
- Conversely, it is possible that Menashe intentionally separated themselves from the problematic petition of Reuven and Gad, since they viewed their own request, in contrast, as a legitimate one. Prof. Elitzur5 suggests that the lands of Sichon and Og had very different statuses. While the northern Bashan was considered part of the Promised Land (and thus not problematic to settle), the southern territory of Sichon was not.6
- Cattle – It is possible that, like Reuven and Gad, these clans of Menashe also had much cattle and desired the grazing land east of the Jordan.
- Intended inheritance – Prof. Elitzur suggests, instead, that the tribes knew of their future inheritances, and Menashe asked for the Bashan because it was his intended portion.7
- Preempt later problems – Menachem b. Yashar8 raises a similar possibility, but suggests that Menashe was aware only that the region around Shekhem was promised to them.9 Knowing that the area was hilly and not well-suited to agriculture, and, moreover, that the tribe were very numerous, Menashe thought to resolve the issue ahead of time, by requesting an extra inheritance.
- It is possible that Moshe does not make Menashe's settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.
- Alternatively, despite the text's silence, it is possible that Moshe also had Menashe promise to participate in the campaign against Canaan. This could be supported by the fact that in Sefer Yehoshua, they also go to war.10
Previous Conquests
The cities Menashe requested had been conquered by the tribe of Menashe much earlier, during the era of Yosef's reign in Egypt.
- According to the student of R. Saadia, the cities mentioned in Bemidbar 32 as being conquered by Menashe,11 had actually been originally conquered centuries before, when Yosef was a vizier in Egypt.12
- Abarbanel brings a similar opinion that Yosef had bought these lands in the time of the famine. At some point, they were conquered by Ammon, and now that this land was returned to Israel's control, Menashe asked for their rightful inheritance to be returned.
Moshe's Initiative
Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.
- Demographics – Ramban14 claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.15
- Spiritual aid – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,16 would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.
- Unity – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad. By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.
- Extra-conquests post inheritance – After Moshe had them join Reuven and Gad, and gave them their main inheritance, Menashe conquered other outlying cities and surrounding regions and annexed them to their portion.17
- During the war with Og – Though it is first mentioned now, in actuality Menashe conquered the territories earlier, when the nation as a whole fought against Og (Bemidbar 21). If so, it is possible that the reason Moshe chose them specifically to live in the region was because they were the ones who had previously conquered these cities.
- According to Ramban, Moshe had opened the land to all the tribes equally, so whoever had wanted could have similarly claimed a larger inheritance. Thus, there was no injustice in the disproportionate size of their territory.
- According to Ralbag, the larger size was due to the fact that they independently conquered more area.
Part of Reuven and Gad's Petition
Despite the silence in the text, Menashe had been part of the negotiations from the beginning.