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<point><b>Different conditions?</b><ul> | <point><b>Different conditions?</b><ul> | ||
<li>It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.</li> | <li>It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.</li> | ||
− | <li>Alternatively, despite the text's silence, it is possible that Moshe also | + | <li>Alternatively, despite the text's silence, it is possible that Moshe also had Menashe promise to participate in the campaign against Canaan..  This could be supported by the fact that in Sefer Yehoshau, they too go to war.<fn>See Yehoshua 1:12-14 and Yehoshua 22:1-3.<br/><br/></fn></li> |
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<point><b>Disproportionate inheritance</b></point> | <point><b>Disproportionate inheritance</b></point> | ||
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<category>Moshe's Initiative | <category>Moshe's Initiative | ||
<p>Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.</p> | <p>Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="RalbagBemidbar32-39" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:39</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>Why did Moshe want  Menashe to join?</b><ul> | <point><b>Why did Moshe want  Menashe to join?</b><ul> | ||
− | <li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than asking who would like to join.</fn> </li> | + | <li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban<fn>See also Ralbag.</fn> claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than asking who would like to join.</fn> </li> |
<li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li> | <li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li> | ||
<li><b>Unity</b> – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad.  By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.</li> | <li><b>Unity</b> – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad.  By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.</li> |
Version as of 14:05, 12 January 2017
Menashe's Conquests
Exegetical Approaches
Personal Initiative
After Moshe finished negotiating with Reuven and Gad and acquiesced to their request to settle in the lands of Sichon, the tribe of Menashe approached with a personal, distinct request to settle the lands of Og. This position subdivides regarding when those lands were conquered:
Present Conquests
Menashe conquered their territory in the fortieth year, after Reuven and Gad were granted their request to settle on the eastern bank of the Jordan.
- It is possible that the tribe of Menashe was wary of Moshe's reaction to a request to settle lands east of the Jordan, recognizing that he might find the petition problematic. They, therefore, decided to wait to gauge his response to Reuven and Gad before asking for their own territory.
- Conversely, it is possible that Menashe intentionally separated themselves from the problematic petition of Reuven and Gad, since they viewed their own request, in contrast, as a legitimate one. Prof. Elitzur4 suggests that the lands of Sihcon and Og had very different statuses. While the Bashan was considered part of the Promised Land (and thus not problematic to settle), the southern territory of Sichon was not.5
- It is possible, that like Reuven and Gd, they also had much cattle and desired the grazing land east of the Jordan.
- Menachem b. Yashar6 raises an alternative possibility, that Menashe was already aware that the region of Shekhem was promised to them.7 Knowing that the area was hilly and not well-suited to agriculture, and, moreover, that they were very numerous, they thought to resolve the issue ahead of time, by requesting an extra inheritance.
- It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.
- Alternatively, despite the text's silence, it is possible that Moshe also had Menashe promise to participate in the campaign against Canaan.. This could be supported by the fact that in Sefer Yehoshau, they too go to war.8
Previous Conquests
The cities had been conquered by the tribe of Menashe much earlier, either in the Patriarchal period, or during the sojourn in Egypt.
Moshe's Initiative
Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.
- Demographics – Ramban9 claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.10
- Spiritual aid – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,11 would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.
- Unity – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad. By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.
Part of Reuven and Gad's Petition
Despite the silence in the text, Menashe had been part of the negotiations from the beginning.