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<point><b>Distinction between the land of Sichon and Og</b> – When describing the conquests over Sihcon and Og in Bemidbar 21, the text shares that the lands of Sichon were settled by Israel (וַיֵּשֶׁב יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּכׇל עָרֵי הָאֱמֹרִי בְּחֶשְׁבּוֹן וּבְכׇל בְּנֹתֶיהָ), while no such statement is made regarding the lands of Og.<fn>The verse simply states, "וַיַּכּוּ אֹתוֹ וְאֶת בָּנָיו...&#160; וַיִּירְשׁוּ אֶת אַרְצוֹ" without mentioning that they also settled in the area.</fn> This could explain why Reuven and Gad request only the lands of Sichon.&#160; Menashe, on their own, add a request for the lands of Og, which they then must finish conquering.</point>
 
<point><b>Distinction between the land of Sichon and Og</b> – When describing the conquests over Sihcon and Og in Bemidbar 21, the text shares that the lands of Sichon were settled by Israel (וַיֵּשֶׁב יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּכׇל עָרֵי הָאֱמֹרִי בְּחֶשְׁבּוֹן וּבְכׇל בְּנֹתֶיהָ), while no such statement is made regarding the lands of Og.<fn>The verse simply states, "וַיַּכּוּ אֹתוֹ וְאֶת בָּנָיו...&#160; וַיִּירְשׁוּ אֶת אַרְצוֹ" without mentioning that they also settled in the area.</fn> This could explain why Reuven and Gad request only the lands of Sichon.&#160; Menashe, on their own, add a request for the lands of Og, which they then must finish conquering.</point>
 
<point><b>Why wait?</b> It is possible that the tribe of Menashe was wary of Moshe's reaction to a request to settle lands east of the Jordan, recognizing that he might find the petition problematic. They, therefore, decided to wait to gauge his response to Reuven and Gad before asking for their own territory.</point>
 
<point><b>Why wait?</b> It is possible that the tribe of Menashe was wary of Moshe's reaction to a request to settle lands east of the Jordan, recognizing that he might find the petition problematic. They, therefore, decided to wait to gauge his response to Reuven and Gad before asking for their own territory.</point>
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<point><b>Why did they want the territory</b> – It is possible, that like Reuven and Gd, they also had much cattle and desired the grazingland east of the Jordan.&#160; Alternatively,</point>
 
<point><b>Different conditions?</b><ul>
 
<point><b>Different conditions?</b><ul>
 
<li>It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.</li>
 
<li>It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.</li>
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<category>Moshe's Initiative
 
<category>Moshe's Initiative
<p>Moshe, rather than the tribe of Menashe, initiated their settlement, requesting of them to join Reuven and Gad.</p>
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<p>Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.</p>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi</a><a href="YerushalmiBikkurim1-8" data-aht="source">Bikkurim 1:8</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelBemidbar32" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> R. Avraham Saba #2, <multilink><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Netziv</a><a href="NetzivBemidbar32-33" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 32:33</a><a href="NetzivDevarim3-16" data-aht="source">Devarim 3:16</a><a href="R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Why did Moshe want&#160; Menashe to join Reuven and Gad?</b><ul>
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<point><b>Why did Moshe want&#160; Menashe to join?</b><ul>
<li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than asking who would like to join.</fn>&#160; </li>
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<li><b>Demographics</b> – Ramban claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.<fn>Abarbanel explains similarly but suggests that Moshe chose Menashe, rather than asking who would like to join.</fn>&#160;</li>
 
<li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li>
 
<li><b>Spiritual aid</b> – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,<fn>The Netziv brings evidence of their knowledge from Devorah's song where she speaks of Machir as being, "מְחֹקְקִים", a term which is parallel to "מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט סֹפֵר" (Shofetim 5:14)</fn> would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.</li>
 
<li><b>Unity</b> – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad.&#160; By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.</li>
 
<li><b>Unity</b> – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad.&#160; By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.</li>
 
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<point><b>Different conditions?</b> Moshe had no need to make Menashe's settlement conditional on joining the conquest since it was not they who asked to live on the eastern back, but him.&#160; They had never suggested that they would forsake their brethren, so Moshe had no need to emphasize that they must fight.</point>
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<point><b>Different conditions?</b> Moshe had no need to make Menashe's settlement conditional on joining the conquest since it was not they who asked to live on the eastern back, but him.&#160; They had never suggested that they would forsake their brethren, so Moshe had no need to emphasize that they must fight together with them.</point>
<point><b>Disproportionate inheritance</b><ul>
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<point><b>Disproportionate inheritance</b> According to Ramban, Moshe had opened the land to all the tribes equally, so whoever had wanted could have similarly claimed a larger inheritance. Thus, there was no injustice in the disproportionate size of their territory.</point>
<li>According to Ramban,Moshe had opened the lands to all the tribes equally, so whoever had wanted could have similarly claimed a larger inheritance.</li>
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<point><b>Conquest</b> – Ramban claims that after Moshe had them join Reuven and Gad, Menashe conquered the extra cities mentioned.</point>
<li></li>
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<point><b>Machir and Yair, the sons of Menashe</b> – As above, this position could say that these refer to Menashe's descendents, and not to literal sons.</point>
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<category>Part of Reuven and Gad's Petition
 
<category>Part of Reuven and Gad's Petition
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<point><b>Why is Menashe not mentioned?</b> According to R. Avraham Saba, the clans from Menashe were not mentioned earlier due to their small numbers.</point>
 
<point><b>Why is Menashe not mentioned?</b> According to R. Avraham Saba, the clans from Menashe were not mentioned earlier due to their small numbers.</point>
 
<point><b>Motivation</b> – R. Saba maintains that Moshe was very reluctant to settle the eastern bank of the Jordan, viewing the land as impure and the desire to settle there as a rejection of the Promised Land. As such, he does not think that Moshe, on his own, would have ever forced one of the tribes to settle there against their will, leading him to conclude that Menashe must have desired the territory.</point>
 
<point><b>Motivation</b> – R. Saba maintains that Moshe was very reluctant to settle the eastern bank of the Jordan, viewing the land as impure and the desire to settle there as a rejection of the Promised Land. As such, he does not think that Moshe, on his own, would have ever forced one of the tribes to settle there against their will, leading him to conclude that Menashe must have desired the territory.</point>
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<point><b>Disproportionate inheritance</b> – It is not clear, according to this position, why Menashe should have merited such a large portion.</point>
 
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Version as of 07:33, 12 January 2017

Menashe's Conquests

Exegetical Approaches

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Personal Initiative

After Moshe finished negotiating with Reuven and Gad and acquiesced to their request to settle in the lands of Sichon, the tribe of Menashe approached with a personal, distinct request to settle the lands of Og.  This position subdivides regarding when those lands were conquered:

Present Conquests

Menashe conquered their territory in the fortieth year, close to the time when Reuven and Gad made their request.

When was the Conquest? Ralbag raises two possibilities regarding when the lands were conquered:
  • During the war with Og – When the nation fought against Og (Bemidbar 21), it was the tribe of Menashe who conquered the lands mentioned here.
  • After inheriting  – Alternatively, after Moshe agreed to their request, these clans conquered these outlying cities which surrounded their inheritance.1 It is also possible that they were not simply suburbs, but actually part of the original inheritance of Og (see next point).
Distinction between the land of Sichon and Og – When describing the conquests over Sihcon and Og in Bemidbar 21, the text shares that the lands of Sichon were settled by Israel (וַיֵּשֶׁב יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּכׇל עָרֵי הָאֱמֹרִי בְּחֶשְׁבּוֹן וּבְכׇל בְּנֹתֶיהָ), while no such statement is made regarding the lands of Og.2 This could explain why Reuven and Gad request only the lands of Sichon.  Menashe, on their own, add a request for the lands of Og, which they then must finish conquering.
Why wait? It is possible that the tribe of Menashe was wary of Moshe's reaction to a request to settle lands east of the Jordan, recognizing that he might find the petition problematic. They, therefore, decided to wait to gauge his response to Reuven and Gad before asking for their own territory.
Why did they want the territory – It is possible, that like Reuven and Gd, they also had much cattle and desired the grazingland east of the Jordan.  Alternatively,
Different conditions?
  • It is possible that Moshe does not make their settlement contingent on joining the rest of the nation in the Conquest, since unlike Reuven and Gad, they were settling areas conquered by themselves and not simply asking to enjoy the benefits of everyone else's work.
  • Alternatively, despite the text's silence, it is possible that Moshe also made these tribes' request conditional on participating in the campaign against Canaan.  This could be supported by the fact that in Sefer Yehoshau, they too go to war.3
Disproportionate inheritance
Yair and Machir, the sons of Menashe – This position could explain, like Ibn Ezra, that the verse is referring not to Machir or Yair themselves, but rather to their descendants.

Previous Conquests

The cities had been conquered by the tribe of Menashe much earlier, either in the Patriarchal period, or during the sojourn in Egypt.

Sources:Student of R. Saadia, opinion brought by Abarbanel

Moshe's Initiative

Moshe, rather than Menashe, requested that some of the tribe join Reuven and Gad east of the Jordan.

Why did Moshe want  Menashe to join?
  • Demographics – Ramban claims that after Moshe agreed to Reuven and Gad's request, he realized that the land was too vast for just two tribes and therefore offered a portion to anyone who wished to join.4 
  • Spiritual aid – R. Saba and the Netziv assert that Moshe was motivated by religious concerns. R. Saba posits that Moshe worried that the two tribes were spiritually deficient (as proven by how their materialism led them to reject Canaan for the eastern bank), while the Netziv has him concerned about the lower level of Torah inspiration in their chosen lands. Moshe hoped that the presence of the tribe of Menashe, who were Torah scholars,5 would spiritually fortify the inhabitants.
  • Unity – Alternatively, Moshe wanted to ensure the unity of the nation and prevent the possible alienation of the tribes of Reuven and Gad.  By splitting Menashe and having one half settle on each of the two banks of the Jordan, he hoped to ensure that family and tribal ties would connect the two communities.
Different conditions? Moshe had no need to make Menashe's settlement conditional on joining the conquest since it was not they who asked to live on the eastern back, but him.  They had never suggested that they would forsake their brethren, so Moshe had no need to emphasize that they must fight together with them.
Disproportionate inheritance – According to Ramban, Moshe had opened the land to all the tribes equally, so whoever had wanted could have similarly claimed a larger inheritance. Thus, there was no injustice in the disproportionate size of their territory.
Conquest – Ramban claims that after Moshe had them join Reuven and Gad, Menashe conquered the extra cities mentioned.
Machir and Yair, the sons of Menashe – As above, this position could say that these refer to Menashe's descendents, and not to literal sons.

Part of Reuven and Gad's Petition

Despite the silence in the text, Menashe had been part of the negotiations from the beginning.

Sources:R. Avraham Saba #1
Why is Menashe not mentioned? According to R. Avraham Saba, the clans from Menashe were not mentioned earlier due to their small numbers.
Motivation – R. Saba maintains that Moshe was very reluctant to settle the eastern bank of the Jordan, viewing the land as impure and the desire to settle there as a rejection of the Promised Land. As such, he does not think that Moshe, on his own, would have ever forced one of the tribes to settle there against their will, leading him to conclude that Menashe must have desired the territory.
Disproportionate inheritance – It is not clear, according to this position, why Menashe should have merited such a large portion.