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<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin108a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin108a" data-aht="source">Sanhedrin 108a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah28-8" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah28-8" data-aht="source">28:8</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaNoach5" data-aht="source">Tanchuma</a><a href="TanchumaNoach5" data-aht="source">Noach 5</a><a href="TanchumaKorach7" data-aht="source">Korach 7</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaBuberNoach18" data-aht="source">Tanchuma (Buber)</a><a href="TanchumaBuberNoach18" data-aht="source">Noach 18</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar16-22" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBereshit6-7" data-aht="source">Bereshit 6:7</a><a href="RashiBereshit6-12" data-aht="source">Bereshit 6:12</a><a href="RashiBereshit19-4" data-aht="source">Bereshit 19:4</a><a href="RashiShemot12-29" data-aht="source">Shemot 12:29</a><a href="RashiShemot32-35" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:35</a><a href="RashiBemidbar16-22" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 16:22</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>,</mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin108a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin108a" data-aht="source">Sanhedrin 108a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BereshitRabbah28-8" data-aht="source">Bereshit Rabbah</a><a href="BereshitRabbah28-8" data-aht="source">28:8</a><a href="Bereshit Rabbah" data-aht="parshan">About Bereshit Rabbah</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaNoach5" data-aht="source">Tanchuma</a><a href="TanchumaNoach5" data-aht="source">Noach 5</a><a href="TanchumaKorach7" data-aht="source">Korach 7</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="TanchumaBuberNoach18" data-aht="source">Tanchuma (Buber)</a><a href="TanchumaBuberNoach18" data-aht="source">Noach 18</a><a href="Tanchuma" data-aht="parshan">About the Tanchuma</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiBemidbar16-22" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiBereshit6-7" data-aht="source">Bereshit 6:7</a><a href="RashiBereshit6-12" data-aht="source">Bereshit 6:12</a><a href="RashiBereshit19-4" data-aht="source">Bereshit 19:4</a><a href="RashiShemot12-29" data-aht="source">Shemot 12:29</a><a href="RashiShemot32-35" data-aht="source">Shemot 32:35</a><a href="RashiBemidbar16-22" data-aht="source">Bemidbar 16:22</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>,</mekorot> | ||
<point><b>Why is it justified?</b></point> | <point><b>Why is it justified?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Individual providence?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Flood</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Sedom</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Plague of first-borns</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Sin of golden calf and spies</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Achan and death of the 37</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Plague in time of David</b></point> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Slightly Guilty also Punished | <category>Slightly Guilty also Punished | ||
<p>When Hashem inflicts punishment, those who are totally innocent are never included.  However, individuals who are guilty by association, or culpable to even a small degree, might be included in the punishment of a worse sinner.</p> | <p>When Hashem inflicts punishment, those who are totally innocent are never included.  However, individuals who are guilty by association, or culpable to even a small degree, might be included in the punishment of a worse sinner.</p> | ||
| − | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliShabbat54b-55a" data-aht="source">Bavli Shabbat</a><a href="BavliShabbat54b-55a" data-aht="source">Shabbat 54b-55a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, Radak, Rif on | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliShabbat54b-55a" data-aht="source">Bavli Shabbat</a><a href="BavliShabbat54b-55a" data-aht="source">Shabbat 54b-55a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, Radak, Rif on Yehoshua, Abarbanel on Korach</mekorot> |
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Even the Innocent Punished | <category>Even the Innocent Punished | ||
<p>Sometimes Hashem collectively punishes the entire group and the innocent suffer together with the guilty.</p> | <p>Sometimes Hashem collectively punishes the entire group and the innocent suffer together with the guilty.</p> | ||
| − | <mekorot>R. Saadia Gaon, Ralbag, Abarbanel, Malbim</mekorot> | + | <mekorot>R. Saadia Gaon, Ralbag, Abarbanel, Malbim, Netziv</mekorot> |
| + | <point><b>Why is this justified?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Individual providence?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Majority vs. minority of sinners?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Collective salvation?</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>Can humans also collectively punish?</b></point> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
</approaches> | </approaches> | ||
</page> | </page> | ||
</aht-xml> | </aht-xml> | ||
Version as of 05:01, 20 July 2015
Collective Punishment
Exegetical Approaches
Only the Sinners are Punished
Hashem only punishes the deserving and does not collectively punish anyone for someone else's crime.
Why is it justified?
Individual providence?
Flood
Sedom
Plague of first-borns
Sin of golden calf and spies
Achan and death of the 37
Plague in time of David
Slightly Guilty also Punished
When Hashem inflicts punishment, those who are totally innocent are never included. However, individuals who are guilty by association, or culpable to even a small degree, might be included in the punishment of a worse sinner.
Sources:Bavli Shabbat, Radak, Rif on Yehoshua, Abarbanel on Korach
Even the Innocent Punished
Sometimes Hashem collectively punishes the entire group and the innocent suffer together with the guilty.
Sources:R. Saadia Gaon, Ralbag, Abarbanel, Malbim, Netziv
Why is this justified?
Individual providence?
Majority vs. minority of sinners?
Collective salvation?
Can humans also collectively punish?
