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<h1>נושאים לשולחן שבת – פרשת וירא</h1>
 
<h1>נושאים לשולחן שבת – פרשת וירא</h1>
<category>האם האבות שמרו את המצוות?
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<category>האם האבות שמרו את המצוות?_
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<category>מתיחת ביקורת על האבות
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<category>מתיחת ביקורת על האבות_
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<category>Collective Punishment &amp; Collective Salvation
 
<category>Collective Punishment &amp; Collective Salvation
<p>Many readers view <a href="Avraham's Prayer for Sedom" data-aht="page">Avraham's Prayer for Sedom</a> as a condemnation of collective punishment.&#160; A closer look, however, reveals that his request is more complex.&#160; Avraham seems to simultaneously appeal to Divine mercy for collective salvation, asking to spare even the wicked of the city due to the virtues of the righteous. Discuss with your family:</p>
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<p>Many readers view <a href="Avraham's Prayer for Sedom" data-aht="page">תפילת אברהם עבור סדום</a> as a condemnation of collective punishment.&#160; A closer look, however, reveals that his request is more complex.&#160; Avraham seems to simultaneously appeal to Divine mercy for collective salvation, asking to spare even the wicked of the city due to the virtues of the righteous. Discuss with your family:</p>
 
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<li>Is collective salvation any more just than collective punishment?&#160; Is Avraham being inconsistent in condemning one while requesting the other?&#160; Or, should his plea be understood in a different way?</li>
 
<li>Is collective salvation any more just than collective punishment?&#160; Is Avraham being inconsistent in condemning one while requesting the other?&#160; Or, should his plea be understood in a different way?</li>
 
<li>Can Hashem be swayed by human argument?&#160; Is it conceivable that Hashem's feelings about collective punishment/salvation changed as a result of Avraham's pleas? Does the story suggest that they did?</li>
 
<li>Can Hashem be swayed by human argument?&#160; Is it conceivable that Hashem's feelings about collective punishment/salvation changed as a result of Avraham's pleas? Does the story suggest that they did?</li>
<li>Finally, look to other examples of punishment in Tanakh.&#160; Is collective punishment the norm or the exception?<fn>See <a href="Philosophy:Collective Punishment" data-aht="page">Collective Punishment</a> for elaboration.</fn></li>
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<li>Finally, look to other examples of punishment in Tanakh.&#160; Is collective punishment the norm or the exception?<fn>להרחבה, ראו <a href="Philosophy:Collective Punishment" data-aht="page">ענישה קולקטיבית</a>.</fn></li>
 
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<category>Angels or Men
 
<category>Angels or Men
 
<p>What does the Torah believe about angels?&#160; Though many characters are referred to as "מלאכים", when does this term refer to a celestial being and when to a human messenger?&#160; Are angels corporeal, or immaterial beings? If the latter, how can they be seen by humans or do physical actions such as eating?&#160;</p>
 
<p>What does the Torah believe about angels?&#160; Though many characters are referred to as "מלאכים", when does this term refer to a celestial being and when to a human messenger?&#160; Are angels corporeal, or immaterial beings? If the latter, how can they be seen by humans or do physical actions such as eating?&#160;</p>
<p>What can the story of <a href="Avraham's Guests – Angels or Men" data-aht="page">Avraham and the Three Guests</a> teach about the subject? Compare the approaches of rationalists like&#160;<multilink><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim242" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim242" data-aht="source">2 42</a><a href="Rambam Moreh Nevukhim" data-aht="parshan">About Rambam Moreh Nevukhim</a></multilink> and<multilink><a href="RalbagBereshitBeurHaParashah18-2-5" data-aht="source"> Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagBereshitBeurHaParashah18-2-5" data-aht="source">Bereshit Beur HaParashah 18:2-5</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, with the more mystically inclined, such as <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-1" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-1" data-aht="source">Bereshit 18:1</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink>.&#160; With whose position do you agree?</p>
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<p>What can the story of <a href="Avraham's Guests – Angels or Men" data-aht="page">אברהם ושלושת המלאכים</a> teach about the subject? Compare the approaches of rationalists like&#160;<multilink><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim242" data-aht="source">רמב״ם</a><a href="RambamMorehNevukhim242" data-aht="source">ב מ״ב</a><a href="Rambam Moreh Nevukhim" data-aht="parshan">About Rambam Moreh Nevukhim</a></multilink> and<multilink><a href="RalbagBereshitBeurHaParashah18-2-5" data-aht="source">רלב״ג</a><a href="RalbagBereshitBeurHaParashah18-2-5" data-aht="source">בראשית ביאור הפרשה י״ח:ב׳-ה׳</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' לוי בן גרשום</a></multilink>, with the more mystically inclined, such as <multilink><a href="RambanBereshit18-1" data-aht="source">רמב״ן</a><a href="RambanBereshit18-1" data-aht="source">בראשית י״ח:א׳</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">אודות ר' משה בן נחמן</a></multilink>.&#160; With whose position do you agree?</p>
 
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<li>How can a moral God, who later in the Torah denounces murder and declares the practice of child sacrifice to be abhorrent, demand of Avraham to kill his child?&#160;&#160;&#160; Why did Avraham agree without even questioning the directive, as he had when Hashem revealed his intentions to destroy Sedom?</li>
 
<li>How can a moral God, who later in the Torah denounces murder and declares the practice of child sacrifice to be abhorrent, demand of Avraham to kill his child?&#160;&#160;&#160; Why did Avraham agree without even questioning the directive, as he had when Hashem revealed his intentions to destroy Sedom?</li>
 
<li>To debate: What is the proper course of action when human conceptions of morality, or even the Torah's own ethical system, conflict with a Divine command?&#160; If Hashem were to tell you, today, to sacrifice a loved one, what would you do?</li>
 
<li>To debate: What is the proper course of action when human conceptions of morality, or even the Torah's own ethical system, conflict with a Divine command?&#160; If Hashem were to tell you, today, to sacrifice a loved one, what would you do?</li>
<li>See <a href="Purpose of Akeidat Yitzchak" data-aht="page">Purpose of Akeidat Yitzchak</a> for discussion of these and other theological issues raised by the story.</li>
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<li>See <a href="Purpose of Akeidat Yitzchak" data-aht="page">מטרת עקידת יצחק</a> for discussion of these and other theological issues raised by the story.</li>
 
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Version as of 23:54, 10 July 2019

נושאים לשולחן שבת – פרשת וירא

האם האבות שמרו את המצוות?_

מתיחת ביקורת על האבות_

Collective Punishment & Collective Salvation

Many readers view תפילת אברהם עבור סדום as a condemnation of collective punishment.  A closer look, however, reveals that his request is more complex.  Avraham seems to simultaneously appeal to Divine mercy for collective salvation, asking to spare even the wicked of the city due to the virtues of the righteous. Discuss with your family:

  • Is collective salvation any more just than collective punishment?  Is Avraham being inconsistent in condemning one while requesting the other?  Or, should his plea be understood in a different way?
  • Can Hashem be swayed by human argument?  Is it conceivable that Hashem's feelings about collective punishment/salvation changed as a result of Avraham's pleas? Does the story suggest that they did?
  • Finally, look to other examples of punishment in Tanakh.  Is collective punishment the norm or the exception?1

Angels or Men

What does the Torah believe about angels?  Though many characters are referred to as "מלאכים", when does this term refer to a celestial being and when to a human messenger?  Are angels corporeal, or immaterial beings? If the latter, how can they be seen by humans or do physical actions such as eating? 

What can the story of אברהם ושלושת המלאכים teach about the subject? Compare the approaches of rationalists like רמב״םב מ״בAbout Rambam Moreh Nevukhim andרלב״גבראשית ביאור הפרשה י״ח:ב׳-ה׳אודות ר' לוי בן גרשום, with the more mystically inclined, such as רמב״ןבראשית י״ח:א׳אודות ר' משה בן נחמן.  With whose position do you agree?

Immoral Commands?

How is one to understand both Hashem' directive to sacrifice Yitzchak and Avraham's willing compliance?

  • How can a moral God, who later in the Torah denounces murder and declares the practice of child sacrifice to be abhorrent, demand of Avraham to kill his child?    Why did Avraham agree without even questioning the directive, as he had when Hashem revealed his intentions to destroy Sedom?
  • To debate: What is the proper course of action when human conceptions of morality, or even the Torah's own ethical system, conflict with a Divine command?  If Hashem were to tell you, today, to sacrifice a loved one, what would you do?
  • See מטרת עקידת יצחק for discussion of these and other theological issues raised by the story.

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