Difference between revisions of "Shas:Objects Which May Be Loaned/2"
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− | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RHaiGaonMishpeteiShevuotPart2Section2" data-aht="source">R. Hai Gaon</a><a href="RHaiGaonMishpeteiShevuotPart2Section2" data-aht="source">Mishpetei Shevuot Part 2 Section 2 | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RHaiGaonMishpeteiShevuotPart2Section2" data-aht="source">R. Hai Gaon</a><a href="RHaiGaonMishpeteiShevuotPart2Section2" data-aht="source">Mishpetei Shevuot Part 2 Section 2</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RChananelShevuot46b" data-aht="source">R. Chananel</a><a href="RChananelShevuot46b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 46b</a><a href="R. Chananel b. Chushiel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Chananel b. Chushiel</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>Textual Variants</b> – According to R. Hai Gaon and R. Chananel, the text states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Chananel understood this to be limiting the prior discussion of Rav Yehuda's statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting, and provides an alternate explanation of Rav Yehuda's statement, which applies it also to all cases where the object is used for lending or renting. Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is an explanation of Rav Yehuda's statement.</point> | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – According to R. Hai Gaon and R. Chananel, the text states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Chananel understood this to be limiting the prior discussion of Rav Yehuda's statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting, and provides an alternate explanation of Rav Yehuda's statement, which applies it also to all cases where the object is used for lending or renting. Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is an explanation of Rav Yehuda's statement.</point> | ||
<point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> R. Hai Gaon and R. Chananel do not define these objects.</point> | <point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> R. Hai Gaon and R. Chananel do not define these objects.</point> | ||
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<category>The Original Owner Has Legal Possession | <category>The Original Owner Has Legal Possession | ||
<p>Legal possession is dependent on the facts of the case, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession is unlikely to have been caused by a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner. Thus, in such cases, despite the defendant being in physical possession of the object, the claimant retains his original legal possession, which results in a ruling in his favor.</p> | <p>Legal possession is dependent on the facts of the case, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession is unlikely to have been caused by a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner. Thus, in such cases, despite the defendant being in physical possession of the object, the claimant retains his original legal possession, which results in a ruling in his favor.</p> | ||
− | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RambamHilkhotGeneivah5-10-12" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamHilkhotGeneivah5-10-12" data-aht="source">Hilkhot Geneivah 5:10-12</a><a href="RambamHilkhotToeinveNitan8" data-aht="source">Hilkhot To'ein veNit'an 8</a><a href="RambamHilkhotToeinveNitan10-1-3" data-aht="source">Hilkhot To'ein veNit'an 10:1-3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RifShevuot27b-28b" data-aht="source">Rif</a><a href="RifShevuot27b-28b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 27b-28b</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Alfasi (Rif)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Alfasi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RambamHilkhotGeneivah5-10-12" data-aht="source">Rambam</a><a href="RambamHilkhotGeneivah5-10-12" data-aht="source">Hilkhot Geneivah 5:10-12</a><a href="RambamHilkhotToeinveNitan8" data-aht="source">Hilkhot To'ein veNit'an 8</a><a href="RambamHilkhotToeinveNitan9-1-5" data-aht="source">Hilkhot To'ein veNit'an 9:1-5</a><a href="RambamHilkhotToeinveNitan10-1-3" data-aht="source">Hilkhot To'ein veNit'an 10:1-3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Maimon (Rambam, Maimonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Maimon</a></multilink></mekorot> |
− | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – According to Rambam, the text | + | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – According to Rif, and presumably Rambam as well, the text states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". Rif and Rambam understood this to be limiting Rav Yehuda's statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting. Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is independent of Rav Yehuda's.</point> |
<point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to Rambam, these are objects which are exclusively rented or lent to others (such as large containers rented for events, or special wedding jewelry), and are not used by the owner himself, in contrast to objects which are occasionally rented or lent out, but also used by the owner.</point> | <point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to Rambam, these are objects which are exclusively rented or lent to others (such as large containers rented for events, or special wedding jewelry), and are not used by the owner himself, in contrast to objects which are occasionally rented or lent out, but also used by the owner.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>When is the Claimant Believed?</b> According to Rambam, the claimant is believed whenever the disputed object is unlikely to have been sold to the defendant. Thus, if the object is only lent or rented, or when sheep graze unsupervised, or when the defendant acted suspiciously when he took the object (he hid it beneath his clothes despite it not being an object which tends to be hidden nor him being a person who tends to hide such objects, and the claimant does not usually sell his possessions) then the claimant is believed when he states he lent or rented the object.</point> | + | <point><b>When is the Claimant Believed?</b> According to Rif and Rambam, the claimant is believed whenever the disputed object is unlikely to have been sold to the defendant. Thus, if the object is only lent or rented, or when sheep graze unsupervised, or when the defendant acted suspiciously when he took the object (he hid it beneath his clothes despite it not being an object which tends to be hidden nor him being a person who tends to hide such objects, and the claimant does not usually sell his possessions) then the claimant is believed when he states he lent or rented the object.</point> |
− | <point><b>Claiming the Object Was Stolen</b> – According to Rambam, unless the claimant can bring proof of a burglary, or of the defendant being a known thief, then he cannot claim the object was stolen. This is | + | <point><b>Claiming the Object Was Stolen</b> – According to Rambam, unless the claimant can bring proof of a burglary, or of the defendant being a known thief, then he cannot claim the object was stolen. This חזקה, that the defendant is not a thief unless proven otherwise, is stronger than possible מיגוs to the contrary.</point> |
<point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – According to Rambam, a שבועת היסת is necessary in all cases. When the defendant is believed, then the defendant swears a שבועת היסת that he owns the disputed object, and when the claimant is believed the claimant swears a שבועת היסת that the object is his. According to this, the Rambam understands that a שבועת היסת is required for people in legal possession of a disputed object, and not those in physical possession.<fn>Bavli Shevuot 40b explains that since a claimant is unlikely to bring a false suit, Rav Nachman created the שבועת היסת so that the defendant will swear he's innocent. Rambam must either understand that this explanation does not encompass all cases of שבועת היסת, and thus sometimes the claimant may be required to take this oath, despite the reasoning not applying to him, or that the "claimant" in that sugya is a legal term actually referring to the litigant in legal (as opposed to physical) possession, and does not reflect the physical reality.</fn></point> | <point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – According to Rambam, a שבועת היסת is necessary in all cases. When the defendant is believed, then the defendant swears a שבועת היסת that he owns the disputed object, and when the claimant is believed the claimant swears a שבועת היסת that the object is his. According to this, the Rambam understands that a שבועת היסת is required for people in legal possession of a disputed object, and not those in physical possession.<fn>Bavli Shevuot 40b explains that since a claimant is unlikely to bring a false suit, Rav Nachman created the שבועת היסת so that the defendant will swear he's innocent. Rambam must either understand that this explanation does not encompass all cases of שבועת היסת, and thus sometimes the claimant may be required to take this oath, despite the reasoning not applying to him, or that the "claimant" in that sugya is a legal term actually referring to the litigant in legal (as opposed to physical) possession, and does not reflect the physical reality.</fn></point> | ||
<point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to Rambam, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | <point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to Rambam, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | ||
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<category>Either, Depending on Object | <category>Either, Depending on Object | ||
<p>Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).</p> | <p>Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).</p> | ||
− | <mekorot>R. Tam as cited by <multilink><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Tosafot</a><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 46a-b</a><a href=" | + | <mekorot>R. Tam as cited by <multilink><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Tosafot</a><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 46a-b</a><a href="R. Yaakov b. Meir" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov b. Meir</a></multilink></mekorot> |
− | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – R. Tam follows R. Chananel's variant, which states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Tam understood this to be limiting Rav Yehuda's entire statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting.<fn>R. Tam proves this from the word "ובכולהו", which implies it is referring the entire previous discussion, including Rav Yehuda's own statement. However, cf. <multilink><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Halakhot Gedolot</a><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Siman 52 | + | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – R. Tam follows R. Chananel's variant, which states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Tam understood this to be limiting Rav Yehuda's entire statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting.<fn>R. Tam proves this from the word "ובכולהו", which implies it is referring the entire previous discussion, including Rav Yehuda's own statement. However, cf. <multilink><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Halakhot Gedolot</a><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Siman 52</a></multilink> who follows this variant but omits the word "ובכולהו".</fn> Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is independent of Rav Yehuda's.</point> |
<point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to R. Tam, these are any object which the owner is willing to lend or rent, in contrast to objects which are exclusively used by their owner (such as objects easily damaged by their use).</point> | <point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to R. Tam, these are any object which the owner is willing to lend or rent, in contrast to objects which are exclusively used by their owner (such as objects easily damaged by their use).</point> | ||
<point><b>When is the Claimant Believed?</b> According to R. Tam, the claimant is believed whenever the disputed object is one which may be lent or rented, and the defendant cannot prove he bought it. Additionally, even if the object is one which may not be lent or rented, but the defendant acted suspiciously when he took it (he hid it beneath his clothes despite it not being an object which tends to be hidden nor him being a person who tends to hide such objects, and the claimant does not usually sell his possessions) then the claimant is believed when he states he lent or rented the object.</point> | <point><b>When is the Claimant Believed?</b> According to R. Tam, the claimant is believed whenever the disputed object is one which may be lent or rented, and the defendant cannot prove he bought it. Additionally, even if the object is one which may not be lent or rented, but the defendant acted suspiciously when he took it (he hid it beneath his clothes despite it not being an object which tends to be hidden nor him being a person who tends to hide such objects, and the claimant does not usually sell his possessions) then the claimant is believed when he states he lent or rented the object.</point> | ||
<point><b>Claiming the Object Was Stolen</b> – According to R. Tam, as a general rule, the claimant cannot make unsubstantiated allegations that the defendant is a thief. However, due to the mechanism of מיגו, if the claimant is believed when he claims the defendant rented the object from him, then he is believed when he claims the defendant stole the object from him, but only if such a claim does not result in the removal of the object from the possession of the legal possessor (מיגו להוציא). Thus, the claimant can only claim theft when the object is one which may be lent or rented (where the claimant is considered the legal possessor) and not otherwise.<fn>This results in a somewhat paradoxical situation, where when it is possible the object was lent or rented, the claimant may claim theft, but when it is unlikely the object was lent or rented, and foul play is suspected, then the claimant may claim he lent or rented the object, but not theft.</fn></point> | <point><b>Claiming the Object Was Stolen</b> – According to R. Tam, as a general rule, the claimant cannot make unsubstantiated allegations that the defendant is a thief. However, due to the mechanism of מיגו, if the claimant is believed when he claims the defendant rented the object from him, then he is believed when he claims the defendant stole the object from him, but only if such a claim does not result in the removal of the object from the possession of the legal possessor (מיגו להוציא). Thus, the claimant can only claim theft when the object is one which may be lent or rented (where the claimant is considered the legal possessor) and not otherwise.<fn>This results in a somewhat paradoxical situation, where when it is possible the object was lent or rented, the claimant may claim theft, but when it is unlikely the object was lent or rented, and foul play is suspected, then the claimant may claim he lent or rented the object, but not theft.</fn></point> | ||
− | <point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – R. Tam | + | <point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – According to this approach, when the defendant is believed he must swear a שבועת היסת, as usual. However, when the claimant is believed, then this must depend on the case: when the object may not be lent or rented, then the claimant is in neither legal nor physical possession, and thus cannot swear a שבועת היסת. However, when the object may be lent or rented, then it is possible that a שבועת היסת would be required since the claimant is in legal possession, but R. Tam does not comment either way.</point> |
<point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to this approach, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | <point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to this approach, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | ||
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Version as of 08:24, 16 January 2019
Objects Which May Be Loaned
Exegetical Approaches
The Facts of the Case Prove Ownership
Legal possession is entirely dependent on physical possession, and thus the defendant, who maintains physical possession, is also in legal possession of the object. However, the dubious nature of the transfer of possession, is enough to prove the claimant's case. This approach subdivides regarding the details of the dubiousness of the transfer, which depend on the chosen textual variant.
The Original Owner Has Legal Possession
Legal possession is dependent on the facts of the case, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession is unlikely to have been caused by a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner. Thus, in such cases, despite the defendant being in physical possession of the object, the claimant retains his original legal possession, which results in a ruling in his favor.
Either, Depending on Object
Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).