Difference between revisions of "Shas:Objects Which May Be Loaned/2"
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<point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to Rambam, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | <point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to Rambam, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | ||
<point><b>Who is in Legal Possession?</b> The Rif implies and the Rambam explicitly states that objects which may be lent or rented are in the legal possession of their original owner (the claimant), while all other objects are generally in the legal possession of their physical possessor. However, since one cannot swear a שבועת היסת without being in some form of possession of the object, and the Rambam and Rif state that when the claimant is believed he must swear a שבועת היסת, even when the objects are not those which are lent or rented, it is clear that the Rambam and Rif view the claimant to be in legal possession whenever he is believed.</point> | <point><b>Who is in Legal Possession?</b> The Rif implies and the Rambam explicitly states that objects which may be lent or rented are in the legal possession of their original owner (the claimant), while all other objects are generally in the legal possession of their physical possessor. However, since one cannot swear a שבועת היסת without being in some form of possession of the object, and the Rambam and Rif state that when the claimant is believed he must swear a שבועת היסת, even when the objects are not those which are lent or rented, it is clear that the Rambam and Rif view the claimant to be in legal possession whenever he is believed.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Free grazing animals</b> – Rambam views free ranging animals as parallel to objects which may be lent or rented. Both are not considered to be in the legal possession of the defendant, since chances are they arrived in his hands without a sale, and thus the original owner (the claimant) is believed when he states that they are his.</point> | ||
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<p>Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).</p> | <p>Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).</p> | ||
− | <mekorot>R. Tam as cited by <multilink><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Tosafot</a><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 46a-b</a><a href="R. Yaakov b. Meir" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov b. Meir</a></multilink></mekorot> | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RashbamBavaBatra36a" data-aht="source">Rashbam</a><a href="RashbamBavaBatra36a" data-aht="source">Bava Batra 36a</a><a href="R. Shemuel b. Meir (Rashbam)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shemuel b. Meir</a></multilink>, R. Tam as cited by <multilink><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Tosafot</a><a href="TosafotShevuot46a-b" data-aht="source">Shevuot 46a-b</a><a href="R. Yaakov b. Meir" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov b. Meir</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>Textual Variants</b> – R. Tam follows R. Chananel's variant, which states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Tam understood this to be limiting Rav Yehuda's entire statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting.<fn>R. Tam proves this from the word "ובכולהו", which implies it is referring the entire previous discussion, including Rav Yehuda's own statement. However, cf. <multilink><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Halakhot Gedolot</a><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Siman 52</a></multilink> who follows this variant but omits the word "ובכולהו".</fn> Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is independent of Rav Yehuda's.</point> | <point><b>Textual Variants</b> – R. Tam follows R. Chananel's variant, which states "ובכולהו לא אמרן אלא בדברים שאין עשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אבל דברים העשויין להשאיל ולהשכיר אינו נאמן". R. Tam understood this to be limiting Rav Yehuda's entire statement to cases where the object are not used for lending or renting.<fn>R. Tam proves this from the word "ובכולהו", which implies it is referring the entire previous discussion, including Rav Yehuda's own statement. However, cf. <multilink><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Halakhot Gedolot</a><a href="HalakhotGedolotSiman52" data-aht="source">Siman 52</a></multilink> who follows this variant but omits the word "ובכולהו".</fn> Thus, Rav Huna bar Avin's statement is independent of Rav Yehuda's.</point> | ||
<point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to R. Tam, these are any object which the owner is willing to lend or rent, in contrast to objects which are exclusively used by their owner (such as objects easily damaged by their use).</point> | <point><b>What Are Objects Which May Be Lent or Rented?</b> According to R. Tam, these are any object which the owner is willing to lend or rent, in contrast to objects which are exclusively used by their owner (such as objects easily damaged by their use).</point> | ||
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<point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – According to this approach, when the defendant is believed he must swear a שבועת היסת, as usual. However, when the claimant is believed, then this must depend on the case: when the object may not be lent or rented, then the claimant is in neither legal nor physical possession, and thus cannot swear a שבועת היסת. However, when the object may be lent or rented, then it is possible that a שבועת היסת would be required since the claimant is in legal possession, but R. Tam does not comment either way.</point> | <point><b>Necessity of an Oath</b> – According to this approach, when the defendant is believed he must swear a שבועת היסת, as usual. However, when the claimant is believed, then this must depend on the case: when the object may not be lent or rented, then the claimant is in neither legal nor physical possession, and thus cannot swear a שבועת היסת. However, when the object may be lent or rented, then it is possible that a שבועת היסת would be required since the claimant is in legal possession, but R. Tam does not comment either way.</point> | ||
<point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to this approach, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | <point><b>Rava's Case</b> – According to this approach, in Rava's case, witnesses only stated that the book and scissors belonged previously to the claimant. This matches the two parallel mentions of the story, where no other details are mentioned.</point> | ||
− | <point><b>Who is in Legal Possession?</b> R. Tam does not explicitly state who is in legal possession. However, he differentiates between cases where the object may be lent or rented, where the מיגו which allows the claimant to claim theft applies, to cases where the object cannot be lent or rented, where the מיגו does not apply. The only possible distinction is with regards to legal possession: in the former the claimant is in legal possession, and thus the מיגו applies, while in the latter, the defendant is in legal possession (regardless of whether he is believed), and thus the מיגו is considered מיגו להוציא and does not apply.</point> | + | <point><b>Who is in Legal Possession?</b> Rashbam explicitly distinguishes between regular objects, in which legal possession matches the physical possession, and free ranging animals and objects which may be lent or rented, where the legal possession is with the original owner (the claimant). R. Tam does not explicitly state who is in legal possession. However, he differentiates between cases where the object may be lent or rented, where the מיגו which allows the claimant to claim theft applies, to cases where the object cannot be lent or rented, where the מיגו does not apply. The only possible distinction is with regards to legal possession: in the former the claimant is in legal possession, and thus the מיגו applies, while in the latter, the defendant is in legal possession (regardless of whether he is believed), and thus the מיגו is considered מיגו להוציא and does not apply.</point> |
+ | <point><b>Free ranging animals</b> – Rashbam and R. Tam view free ranging animals as parallel to objects which may be lent or rented. Both are not considered to be in the legal possession of the defendant, since chances are they arrived in his hands without a sale, and thus the original owner (the claimant) is believed when he states that they are his.</point> | ||
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Version as of 08:11, 17 January 2019
Objects Which May Be Loaned
Exegetical Approaches
The Facts of the Case Prove Ownership
Legal possession is entirely dependent on physical possession, and thus the defendant, who maintains physical possession, is also in legal possession of the object. However, the dubious nature of the transfer of possession, is enough to prove the claimant's case. This approach subdivides regarding the details of the dubiousness of the transfer, which depend on the chosen textual variant.
The Original Owner Has Legal Possession
Legal possession is dependent on the facts of the case, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession is unlikely to have been caused by a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner. Thus, in such cases, despite the defendant being in physical possession of the object, the claimant retains his original legal possession, which results in a ruling in his favor.
Either, Depending on Object
Legal possession is dependent on the object, and need not follow the physical possession. If physical possession of a certain object can happen legally without a sale, then legal possession returns to the original owner (thus resulting directly in a ruling favoring the claimant). If, however, it is unlikely that that object will be transferred legally without a sale, then legal possession remains with the physical possessor, which will require proof that the transfer of possession is dubious enough, in order to override the legal possession (also resulting in a ruling favoring the claimant).