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<point><b>Why Are Witnesses Necessary?</b> According to this approach, by agreeing to only repay before witnesses, the creditor and debtor reached an additional agreement, unrelated to the loan itself, under which the debtor must pay the amount of the loan if the creditor demands it, unless the debtor can bring witnesses that he already repaid the loan. Thus, if the debtor claims in court to have repaid without witnesses, he is not required to repay the loan itself, but must pay due to the additional agreement.</point> | <point><b>Why Are Witnesses Necessary?</b> According to this approach, by agreeing to only repay before witnesses, the creditor and debtor reached an additional agreement, unrelated to the loan itself, under which the debtor must pay the amount of the loan if the creditor demands it, unless the debtor can bring witnesses that he already repaid the loan. Thus, if the debtor claims in court to have repaid without witnesses, he is not required to repay the loan itself, but must pay due to the additional agreement.</point> | ||
<point><b>Unilateral Changes</b> – According to this approach, the witness requirement is an external obligation, caused by mutual agreement. The creditor cannot require it unilaterally after the time of the loan, and at the time of the loan the debtor’s agreement to the loan is considered an implicit consent to this obligation as well.</point> | <point><b>Unilateral Changes</b> – According to this approach, the witness requirement is an external obligation, caused by mutual agreement. The creditor cannot require it unilaterally after the time of the loan, and at the time of the loan the debtor’s agreement to the loan is considered an implicit consent to this obligation as well.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>The First Rendition</b></point> | ||
+ | <point><b>The Second Rendition</b></point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Rav Papa's Halakhic Conclusion</b> – According to Rif, Rav Papa's conclusion is that the debtor is not believed unless he brings the witnesses themselves to the court. The Rif omits Shemuel's opinion and the entire discussion, so he clearly understood Rav Papa to be following Rav Asi's opinion.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Rava and Abayei's Dispute</b> – According to Rif, the disagreement between Rava and Abayei is regarding a case where the other witnesses (not named by the creditor) actually appeared and testified to the repayment. According to Abayei, since the witnesses testified they are believed, and thus the creditor can not demand a second repayment. Rava disagrees, and understands the agreement to be a contract banning the debtor from bringing any witnesses besides the two named, and thus despite the witnesses' testimony the debtor must repay the loan.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Rav Nachman's Ruling</b> – According to Rif, the people who came before Rav Nachman had agreed to only repay before educated witnesses. However, when the creditor admitted to accepting repayment without witnesses, it is considered as if he nullified that requirement, and thus there is no need for further repayment. However, if the creditor had denied receiving payment, then the debtor would have been required to pay again, even if he brings uneducated witnesses that he repaid the debt.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Types of Unavailable Witnesses</b> – According to this approach, why the witnesses are unavailable does not make any difference, since the contract does not distinguish between witnesses who are unknown, dead, or just overseas.</point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Textual Issues</b><ul> | ||
+ | <li><b>Rav Papa's Psak</b> – According to Rif, the debtor is not believed (אינו נאמן) if he claims the witnesses are overseas.</li> | ||
+ | </ul></point> | ||
+ | <point><b>Halakhic Conclusion</b> – According to the Rif, as long as the debtor agrees to the terms (either implicitly, by agreeing to the loan after hearing the demand, or explicitly at a later date), the terms are binding. Thus, the debtor must repay with the witnesses the creditor demanded, and bring them to court in the case of a dispute.</point> | ||
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Latest revision as of 07:57, 2 January 2019
Witnesses for Repayment of Debt
Exegetical Approaches
The Creditor Can Change the Details of the Loan
Under certain circumstances, the agreement between the creditor and debtor allows the creditor to change certain details regarding the loan.
The Creditor Can Change the Rules of Believability for the Loan
Under certain circumstances, the agreement between the creditor and debtor allows the creditor to change who the court can believe, causing the court to ignore the claims of the debtor, and possibly even ignore witnesses.
The Creditor Can Change the Rules of Repayment for the Loan
Under certain circumstances, the agreement between the creditor and debtor allows the creditor to change how the loan may be repaid, requiring the debtor to repay the loan before witnesses. If the debtor claims he failed to abide the repayment requirements, his claim is flawed and not believed.
The Parties Can Add An Additional Obligation
Under certain circumstances, the parties may come to an mutual agreement, not part of the original loan, which will impose certain costs on the parties. This agreement would require the debtor to pay the sum of the loan should he fail to abide by certain terms (such as proving his repayment in court via witnesses), despite the court absolving him of his debt.
- Rav Papa's Psak – According to Rif, the debtor is not believed (אינו נאמן) if he claims the witnesses are overseas.
The Creditor Can Change the Psychology of the Debtor
None of the creditor's actions have any legal significance beyond the original debt agreement. However, under certain circumstances, the creditor's actions may frighten the debtor, causing any claim of repayment without witnesses to be immediately suspect.
- Rav Asi – According to Ran, Rav Asi's original statement did not refer to a legal obligation to repay the loan before witnesses, but rather a psychological need to do so (caused by fear that the creditor may deny receiving the payment). If the loan occurred before witnesses, and the debtor claims to have repaid without witnesses, this unlikely claim is not believed.
- Shemuel – According to Ran, Shemuel agrees that this claim is unlikely by itself, but states that if the debtor claims he repaid the loan before witnesses, but that those witnesses are unavailable, he is believed. Thus, even when claiming that he repaid without witnesses, the debtor is believed, since he could have stated (מיגו) that he had witnesses, but they are unavailable.
- Rav Asi's Answer to the Mishna – According to this approach, Rav Asi differentiates between a loan before witnesses (where the creditor shows his distrust and the debtor becomes afraid) and a simple statement of liability (which will not cause the debtor to become afraid).
- Rav Asi – According to Ran, while Rav Asi admits that the simple existence of witnesses during the loan is not enough to frighten the debtor into repaying with witnesses, an explicit warning from the creditor would frighten the debtor. Therefore, if the debtor was warned to repay before witnesses, chances are he would not have repaid alone, and is not believed when making such a claim.
- Shemuel – According to Ran, Shemuel makes the same argument as he made in the first rendition. If the debtor claims he repaid before witnesses who are currently unavailable, he is believed, and therefore he is believed even when claiming there were no witnesses, due to מיגו.
- Question on Shemuel – According to the Ran, since Shemuel believes the debtor even when he claims there were no witnesses, he is in direct contradiction to the Baraita which states that the debtor is not believed without witnesses.
- Question on Shemuel – The Ran had the version printed in our Gemara, although he was familiar with the alternative version. Thus, he has no reason to say that Shemuel must agree that if the debtor does not claim the existence of witnesses, he is not believed.
- Rav Papa's Psak – The Ran states that the version before him (and before the Rambam) was that if the debtor claims to have witnesses overseas, he is believed.