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<category>Kept Agag Alive | <category>Kept Agag Alive | ||
<mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliYoma22b" data-aht="source">Bavli Yoma</a><a href="BavliYoma22b" data-aht="source">Yoma 22b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliMegillah12b-13a" data-aht="source">Bavli Megillah</a><a href="BavliMegillah12b-13a" data-aht="source">Megillah 12b-13a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="YalkutShimoniShemuelI121" data-aht="source">Yalkut Shimoni</a><a href="YalkutShimoniShemuelI121" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 121</a><a href="Yalkut Shimoni" data-aht="parshan">About Yalkut Shimoni</a></multilink></mekorot> | <mekorot><multilink><a href="BavliYoma22b" data-aht="source">Bavli Yoma</a><a href="BavliYoma22b" data-aht="source">Yoma 22b</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliMegillah12b-13a" data-aht="source">Bavli Megillah</a><a href="BavliMegillah12b-13a" data-aht="source">Megillah 12b-13a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="YalkutShimoniShemuelI121" data-aht="source">Yalkut Shimoni</a><a href="YalkutShimoniShemuelI121" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 121</a><a href="Yalkut Shimoni" data-aht="parshan">About Yalkut Shimoni</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
| + | <point><b>Severity of the sin:</b><ul> | ||
| + | <li>Shaul thought he was more just than Hashem – Bavli Yoma and Yalkut Shimoni suggest that Shahul thought he could decide who needs to be punished or saved on his own, leading to his extra mercy here but extreme cruelty in Nov.</li> | ||
| + | </ul> | ||
| + | <ul> | ||
| + | <li>Consequences of deed – Bavli Megillah says that had Agag been killed immediately Haman would have never been born, suggesting that that was the problem.</li> | ||
| + | <li>Shaul simply did not listen to Hashem's commandment.  Hashem said to destroy all of Amalek so leaving over even just one person violated the directive.</li> | ||
| + | </ul></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>What was included in the command?</b></point> | ||
<point><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b></point> | <point><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b></point> | ||
<point><b>"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"</b></point> | <point><b>"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"</b></point> | ||
<point><b>"וּמֶה קוֹל הַצֹּאן הַזֶּה בְּאׇזְנָי"</b></point> | <point><b>"וּמֶה קוֹל הַצֹּאן הַזֶּה בְּאׇזְנָי"</b></point> | ||
| + | <point><b>David's battle with Amalek</b></point> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
| − | <category>Did Not | + | <category>Did Not Consecrate the Spoils |
| − | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:12</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:15</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-17" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:17</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:6-23</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, | + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:12</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:15</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-17" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:17</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:6-23</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI14Q2-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 14, Questions 2-4</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:1</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-14-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:14-15</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-26" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="Biur (Netivot HaShalom)" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur (Netivot HaShalom)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:4-5</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot> |
<point><b>Why were they commanded not to leave spoils?</b></point> | <point><b>Why were they commanded not to leave spoils?</b></point> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
<category>Did Not Fight All of Amalek | <category>Did Not Fight All of Amalek | ||
| + | <mekorot><multilink><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Hoil Moshe</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:5</a><a href="R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi (Hoil Moshe)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot> | ||
</category> | </category> | ||
</approaches> | </approaches> | ||
</page> | </page> | ||
</aht-xml> | </aht-xml> | ||
Version as of 01:16, 13 July 2015
Shaul Loses the Kingship
Exegetical Approaches
Kept Agag Alive
Severity of the sin:
- Shaul thought he was more just than Hashem – Bavli Yoma and Yalkut Shimoni suggest that Shahul thought he could decide who needs to be punished or saved on his own, leading to his extra mercy here but extreme cruelty in Nov.
- Consequences of deed – Bavli Megillah says that had Agag been killed immediately Haman would have never been born, suggesting that that was the problem.
- Shaul simply did not listen to Hashem's commandment. Hashem said to destroy all of Amalek so leaving over even just one person violated the directive.
What was included in the command?
"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"
"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"
"וּמֶה קוֹל הַצֹּאן הַזֶּה בְּאׇזְנָי"
David's battle with Amalek
Did Not Consecrate the Spoils
Did Not Fight All of Amalek
Sources:Hoil Moshe
