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<mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:12</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:15</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-17" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:17</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:6-23</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI14Q2-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 14, Questions 2-4</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:1</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-14-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:14-15</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-26" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="Biur (Netivot HaShalom)" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur (Netivot HaShalom)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:4-5</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:12</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:15</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-17" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:17</a><a href="RadakShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI15-6-9" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:6-23</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI14Q2-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 14, Questions 2-4</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:1</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-14-15" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:14-15</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI15-26" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:26</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Biur</a><a href="BiurShemuelI15-23" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:23</a><a href="Biur (Netivot HaShalom)" data-aht="parshan">About the Biur (Netivot HaShalom)</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimShemuelI15-4-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:4-5</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Severity of the sin:</b><ul>
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<point><b>Purpose of the command</b> – Radak notes that the war was to fulfill "תִּמְחֶה אֶת זֵכֶר עֲמָלֵק" (Devarim 25:19), and if they leave over even just a horse then people will say "this horse is from Amalek's spoils" and Amalek's name will be continued to be mentioned.&#160; Ralbag and Abarbanel suggest this battle with Amalek was to take revenge for what they did on the way out of Egypt, so they were commanded not to take spoils.&#160; For by taking spoils the war is viewed as personally beneficial and not as a revenge.</point>
<li>Shaul thought כוחי ועוצם ידי</li>
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<point><b>Severity of Shaul's sin:</b><ul>
<li>Shaul gave in to the nation</li>
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<li>Shaul thought כוחי ועוצם ידי.&#160; By setting aside the spoils for Hashem one shows that they were only able to win the battle with His help.</li>
<li>Shaul caused the battle to be for a different purpose than it was intended to be for</li>
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<li>Shaul gave in to the nation.&#160; Shaul proved that he does not know how to stand against the nation's request and do Hashem's will.</li>
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<li>Shaul did not accomplish the goal of the war&#160;– Ralbag and Abarbanel.&#160; Shaul proved by letting the nation take from the spoils that their purpose was to benefit and not to sanctify Hashem's name.</li>
 
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</ul></point>
<point><b>Purpose of the war</b> – Ralbag and Abarbanel suggest this battle with Amalek was for a different purpose than most wars.&#160; Generally, a war is to gain back lost country, to expand territory, or to take revenge.&#160; However, Shaul was commanded in the battle against Amalek to take revenge for their degradation of Hashem's name.</point>
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<point><b>"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"</b> – Shemuel's rebuke to Shaul focuses on the animals that he hears were left over.&#160; Already in verse 9 it says "וְלֹא אָבוּ הַחֲרִימָם" as opposed to the language of the command "וְהַחֲרַמְתֶּם אֶת כׇּל אֲשֶׁר לוֹ".</point>
<point><b>"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"</b> – Shemuel's rebuke to Shaul focuses on the animals that he hears were left over.</point>
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<point><b>"הַגִּישׁוּ אֵלַי אֶת אֲגַג"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b></point>
<point><b>David's battle with Amalek</b></point>
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<point><b>David's battle with Amalek</b> – The story of David's battle with Amalek is bothersome for this approach.&#160; There, in chapter 30:20-31 it is elaborated on all the spoils David took from Amalek and how he split it up between the people.&#160; It seems puzzling why Shaul deserved to lose the kingship for the same action David did later on and there was no problem with.</point>
 
<point><b>Shaul vs. David</b></point>
 
<point><b>Shaul vs. David</b></point>
 
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<category>Did Not Fight All of Amalek
 
<category>Did Not Fight All of Amalek
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Hoil Moshe</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:5</a><a href="R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi (Hoil Moshe)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot><multilink><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Hoil Moshe</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-3" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:3</a><a href="HoilMosheShemuelI15-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 15:5</a><a href="R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi (Hoil Moshe)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe Yitzchak Ashkenazi</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Severity of the sin:</b> – Hoil Moshe says Shaul was rushing to boast about his victory that he decided to not fight all of Amalek.</point>
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<point><b>Severity of Shaul's sin:</b> – Hoil Moshe says Shaul was rushing to boast about his victory that he decided to not fight all of Amalek.</point>
 
<point><b>"מֵחֲוִילָה בּוֹאֲךָ שׁוּר"</b></point>
 
<point><b>"מֵחֲוִילָה בּוֹאֲךָ שׁוּר"</b></point>
<point><b>"וַיִּתְפֹּשׂ אֶת אֲגַג מֶלֶךְ עֲמָלֵק חָי"</b> – Hoil Moshe understands that Shaul was planning on killing Agag.&#160; He just brought him alive to brag about him in front of the nation.</point>
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<point><b>"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"</b></point>
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<point><b>"הַגִּישׁוּ אֵלַי אֶת אֲגַג"</b> – Hoil Moshe understands that Shaul was planning on killing Agag. He just brought him alive to brag about him in front of the nation.</point>
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<point><b>"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"</b></point>
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<point><b>David's battle with Amalek</b></point>
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<point><b>Shaul vs. David</b></point>
 
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Version as of 07:34, 24 July 2015

Shaul Loses the Kingship

Exegetical Approaches

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Kept Agag Alive

Severity of Shaul's sin:
  • Shaul thought he was more just than Hashem – Bavli Yoma and Yalkut Shimoni suggest that Shahul thought he could decide who needs to be punished or saved on his own, leading to his extra mercy here but extreme cruelty in Nov.
  • Consequences of deed – Bavli Megillah says that had Agag been killed immediately Haman would have never been born,1 suggesting that that was the problem.  This is a weak explanation since there is no evidence in the text that anyone was born before Agag was killed by Shemuel.
  • Shaul simply did not listen to Hashem's commandment. Hashem said to destroy all of Amalek so leaving over even just one person violated the directive.
R"Y Bin-Nun2, questions all these opinions why Shaul deserved such a harsh punishment if his misdeed was correctable, as Shemuel subsequently killed Agag.
"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל" – The sin of not killing Agag is missing from the text, as Shemuel rebukes in verses 14, 19, and 22-23 only about the spoils that were left, and does not mention a word about keeping Agag alive.3
"הַגִּישׁוּ אֵלַי אֶת אֲגַג" – The only hint in the verses4 that not killing Agag was the sin is in verses 32-33 where Shemuel kills Agag, and even that can be understood as a demonstration that Hashem won the battle and not Shaul
"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר" – This approach can posit, like Targum YonatanShemuel I 15:23About Targum Pseudo-Jonathan, that Shemuel is comparing Shaul's disobedience to Hashem's words to a sin of magic, since both promote lack of faith in Hashem.
Shaul vs. David

Did Not Consecrate the Spoils

Purpose of the command – Radak notes that the war was to fulfill "תִּמְחֶה אֶת זֵכֶר עֲמָלֵק" (Devarim 25:19), and if they leave over even just a horse then people will say "this horse is from Amalek's spoils" and Amalek's name will be continued to be mentioned.  Ralbag and Abarbanel suggest this battle with Amalek was to take revenge for what they did on the way out of Egypt, so they were commanded not to take spoils.  For by taking spoils the war is viewed as personally beneficial and not as a revenge.
Severity of Shaul's sin:
  • Shaul thought כוחי ועוצם ידי.  By setting aside the spoils for Hashem one shows that they were only able to win the battle with His help.
  • Shaul gave in to the nation.  Shaul proved that he does not know how to stand against the nation's request and do Hashem's will.
  • Shaul did not accomplish the goal of the war – Ralbag and Abarbanel.  Shaul proved by letting the nation take from the spoils that their purpose was to benefit and not to sanctify Hashem's name.
"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל" – Shemuel's rebuke to Shaul focuses on the animals that he hears were left over.  Already in verse 9 it says "וְלֹא אָבוּ הַחֲרִימָם" as opposed to the language of the command "וְהַחֲרַמְתֶּם אֶת כׇּל אֲשֶׁר לוֹ".
"הַגִּישׁוּ אֵלַי אֶת אֲגַג"
"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"
David's battle with Amalek – The story of David's battle with Amalek is bothersome for this approach.  There, in chapter 30:20-31 it is elaborated on all the spoils David took from Amalek and how he split it up between the people.  It seems puzzling why Shaul deserved to lose the kingship for the same action David did later on and there was no problem with.
Shaul vs. David

Did Not Fight All of Amalek

Severity of Shaul's sin: – Hoil Moshe says Shaul was rushing to boast about his victory that he decided to not fight all of Amalek.
"מֵחֲוִילָה בּוֹאֲךָ שׁוּר"
"וַתַּעַט אֶל הַשָּׁלָל"
"הַגִּישׁוּ אֵלַי אֶת אֲגַג" – Hoil Moshe understands that Shaul was planning on killing Agag. He just brought him alive to brag about him in front of the nation.
"כִּי חַטַּאת קֶסֶם מֶרִי וְאָוֶן וּתְרָפִים הַפְצַר"
David's battle with Amalek
Shaul vs. David