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<p>Amnon and Tamar were not legally siblings.</p>
 
<p>Amnon and Tamar were not legally siblings.</p>
 
<mekorot>Rav in <multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin21a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin21a" data-aht="source">Sanhedrin 21a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RashiShemuelII13-13" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1</a><a href="RashiShemuelII13-13" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:13</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelII13-12" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelII13-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:12</a><a href="RalbagShemuelIIToalot13-13" data-aht="source">Shemuel II Toalot 13:13</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MetzudatDavidShemuelII13-1-4" data-aht="source">Metzudot</a><a href="MetzudatDavidShemuelII13-1-4" data-aht="source">Metzudat David Shemuel II 13:1-4</a><a href="R. David Altschuler (Metzudot)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Altschuler</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimShemuelII13-1-6" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimShemuelII13-1-6" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1-6</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
 
<mekorot>Rav in <multilink><a href="BavliSanhedrin21a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sanhedrin</a><a href="BavliSanhedrin21a" data-aht="source">Sanhedrin 21a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>,&#160;<multilink><a href="RashiShemuelII13-13" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1</a><a href="RashiShemuelII13-13" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:13</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelII13-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelII13-12" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelII13-12" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:12</a><a href="RalbagShemuelIIToalot13-13" data-aht="source">Shemuel II Toalot 13:13</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MetzudatDavidShemuelII13-1-4" data-aht="source">Metzudot</a><a href="MetzudatDavidShemuelII13-1-4" data-aht="source">Metzudat David Shemuel II 13:1-4</a><a href="R. David Altschuler (Metzudot)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Altschuler</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="MalbimShemuelII13-1-6" data-aht="source">Malbim</a><a href="MalbimShemuelII13-1-6" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 13:1-6</a><a href="R. Meir Leibush Weiser (Malbim)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Meir Leibush Weiser</a></multilink></mekorot>
<point><b>Relationship to Avshalom</b> – Avshalom and Tamar were full siblings, sharing both a mother (Ma'akhah) and father (David).&#160; However, Ma'akhah was a beautiful captive woman who bore Tamar from relations with David prior to her conversion, giving her a unique status.</point>
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<point><b>Relationship to Avshalom</b> – Avshalom and Tamar were full siblings, sharing both a mother (Ma'akhah) and father (David).&#160; However, Ma'akhah was a beautiful captive woman who bore Tamar from relations with David prior to her conversion, while Avshalom was born afterwards.&#160;</point>
<point><b>Relationship to Amnon</b> – Though David was the biological father of both Amnon and Tamar, since Tamar was conceived before Ma'akhah converted,<fn>See above that they assume that Ma'akhah was a beautiful captive women who conceived Tamar when she had relations with David prior to her conversion.</fn> she was not legally considered David's daughter. As such, she was Amnon's biological, but not halakhic, sister.</point>
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<point><b>Relationship to Amnon</b> – Though David was the biological father of both Amnon and Tamar, since Tamar was conceived before Ma'akhah converted,<fn>See above that they assume that Ma'akhah was a beautiful captive women who conceived Tamar when she had relations with David prior to her conversion.</fn> she was not legally considered David's daughter. As such, she was Amnon's biological, but not halakhic, sister and not prohibited to him.</point>
<point><b>"תָּמָר אֲחֹתִי"</b> – Tamar is referred to as Amnon's sister throughout the story, because, despite her legal status, she is nonetheless David's daughter.</point>
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<point><b>"תָּמָר אֲחֹתִי"</b> – Tamar is referred to as Amnon's sister throughout the story, because, despite her legal status, she was nonetheless David's daughter.</point>
<point><b>Yonadav's intentions</b> – Malbim claims that Yonadav, knowing that Amnon could legitimately marry Tamar, had never intended that he take her by force.&#160; He suggested that Amnon talk to his father, assuming that David would realize that Amnon desired Tamar and suggest that they marry.</point>
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<point><b>Yonadav's intentions</b> – Malbim claims that Yonadav, knowing that Amnon could legitimately marry Tamar, had never intended that he take her by force.&#160; He suggested that Amnon fake illness and talk to his father, assuming that David would realize that Amnon desired Tamar and suggest that they marry.</point>
<point><b>Tamar's goal</b></point>
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<point><b>Tamar's goal</b> – Tamar wanted</point>
<point><b>Amnon's reaction</b></point>
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<point><b>Why didn't Amnon agree?</b></point>
 
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<opinion>No Blood Relationship
 
<opinion>No Blood Relationship

Version as of 11:17, 20 June 2017

Tamar's Plea

Exegetical Approaches

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Truth

Tamar was speaking the truth as there was no legal impediment to her marrying Amnon.

Not Legally Siblings

Amnon and Tamar were not legally siblings.

Relationship to Avshalom – Avshalom and Tamar were full siblings, sharing both a mother (Ma'akhah) and father (David).  However, Ma'akhah was a beautiful captive woman who bore Tamar from relations with David prior to her conversion, while Avshalom was born afterwards. 
Relationship to Amnon – Though David was the biological father of both Amnon and Tamar, since Tamar was conceived before Ma'akhah converted,1 she was not legally considered David's daughter. As such, she was Amnon's biological, but not halakhic, sister and not prohibited to him.
"תָּמָר אֲחֹתִי" – Tamar is referred to as Amnon's sister throughout the story, because, despite her legal status, she was nonetheless David's daughter.
Yonadav's intentions – Malbim claims that Yonadav, knowing that Amnon could legitimately marry Tamar, had never intended that he take her by force.  He suggested that Amnon fake illness and talk to his father, assuming that David would realize that Amnon desired Tamar and suggest that they marry.
Tamar's goal – Tamar wanted
Why didn't Amnon agree?

No Blood Relationship

Relationship to Avshalom – Tamar was born from the same mother as Avshalom (Ma'akhah), but a different father.2
Relationship to Amnon – Tamar and Amnon were not related at all, sharing neither a father nor a mother.
"תָּמָר אֲחֹתִי" – Even though there were no blood ties between Amnon and Tamar, since Tamar grew up in the palace with all the other children of David, she was treated like, and referred to as a sister.

Ruse

Tamar knew that David would never approve of the marriage, but was grasping at straws hoping that her words would convince Amnon to release her.

Mistake

Tamar was unaware of the law, and truly believed that David would allow the marriage.