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| − | + | <category>The Amalekite Killed Shaul | |
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| − | + | <multilink><a href="Josephus7-14" data-aht="source">Josephus</a><a href="Josephus7-14" data-aht="source">Antiquities 7:14:7</a><a href="Josephus" data-aht="parshan">About Josephus</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI31-5" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI31-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:5</a><a href="RadakShemuelII1-6" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 1:6-16</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:4</a><a href="RalbagShemuelII1-6" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 1:6-10</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:1</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:4</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelII1-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 1:5-16</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink> | |
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| − | + | <point><b>Who killed Shaul</b> – Shaul originally asked his arms bearer to kill him, who refused, so then he tried to fall on his sword unsuccessfully, and only died after the Amalekite killed him completely.  According to this approach the Amalekite didn't lie rather actually killed Shaul, just the story in Shemuel I 31 omitted that part of the story.</point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>הַחֶרֶב and חֲנִיתוֹ</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>הַמּוֹרִים and הָרֶכֶב וּבַעֲלֵי הַפָּרָשִׁים</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>Why two stories</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>David's double question</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>"כִּי אֲחָזַנִי הַשָּׁבָץ"</b> – Ralbag says this verse explains why Shaul didn't totally die when he fell on his sword, because the cloths he was wearing were משובץ, meaning strong so a sword can't go through easily.</point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>Why kill the Amalekite</b> – It is obvious following this reading, that David ordered the killing of the Amalekite because he actually killed Shaul.</point> | |
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| − | < | + | Second option in <multilink><a href="RadakShemuelI31-5" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakShemuelI31-5" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:5</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, First option in <multilink><a href="RalbagShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:4</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>, First option in <multilink><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-1" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:1</a><a href="AbarbanelShemuelI31-4" data-aht="source">Shemuel I 31:4</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="Segal" data-aht="source">Prof. Moshe Tzvi Segal</a><a href="Segal" data-aht="source">Shemuel II 1:5-10</a><a href="Prof. Moshe Tzvi Segal" data-aht="parshan">About Prof. Moshe Tzvi Segal</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="Elitzur" data-aht="source">Prof. Yehuda Elitzur</a><a href="Elitzur" data-aht="source">"HaNa'ar HaMagid UMishpato BeTziklag"</a><a href="Prof. Yehuda Elitzur" data-aht="parshan">About Prof. Yehuda Elitzur</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="Moshkovitz" data-aht="source">Dr. Yechiel Tzvi Moshkovitz</a><a href="Moshkovitz" data-aht="source">"Sipuro Shel HaNa'ar HAmeleki"</a><a href="Dr. Yechiel Tzvi Moshkovitz" data-aht="parshan">About Dr. Yechiel Tzvi Moshkovitz</a></multilink> |
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| − | + | <point><b>Who killed Shaul</b> – Shaul killed himself, and the Amalekite lied saying that he killed Shaul to find favor in the eyes of David.</point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>Why kill the Na'ar</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>Differences</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>David's double question</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>No mention of the lie</b></point> | |
| − | + | <point><b>The נֵּזֶר and אֶצְעָדָה</b></point> | |
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Version as of 01:10, 1 September 2016
Did the Amalekite Kill Shaul?
Exegetical Approaches
Overview
The Amalekite Killed Shaul
Who killed Shaul – Shaul originally asked his arms bearer to kill him, who refused, so then he tried to fall on his sword unsuccessfully, and only died after the Amalekite killed him completely. According to this approach the Amalekite didn't lie rather actually killed Shaul, just the story in Shemuel I 31 omitted that part of the story.
הַחֶרֶב and חֲנִיתוֹ
הַמּוֹרִים and הָרֶכֶב וּבַעֲלֵי הַפָּרָשִׁים
Why two stories
David's double question
"כִּי אֲחָזַנִי הַשָּׁבָץ" – Ralbag says this verse explains why Shaul didn't totally die when he fell on his sword, because the cloths he was wearing were משובץ, meaning strong so a sword can't go through easily.
Why kill the Amalekite – It is obvious following this reading, that David ordered the killing of the Amalekite because he actually killed Shaul.
Shaul Killed Himself
Sources: Second option in Radak, First option in Ralbag, First option in Abarbanel, Prof. Moshe Tzvi Segal, Prof. Yehuda Elitzur, Dr. Yechiel Tzvi Moshkovitz
Who killed Shaul – Shaul killed himself, and the Amalekite lied saying that he killed Shaul to find favor in the eyes of David.
Why kill the Na'ar
Differences
David's double question
No mention of the lie
The נֵּזֶר and אֶצְעָדָה
