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<p>These are some of the central points of dispute (נקודות המחלוקת) between the various exegetes:</p> | <p>These are some of the central points of dispute (נקודות המחלוקת) between the various exegetes:</p> | ||
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| − | + | <topic><i>LeMoshe uleYisrael ammo</i> – Who is the object of Hashem's salvation in verse 1? | |
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<opinion>Only Moshe (who was acting on behalf of his nation Israel) – Rashbam.</opinion> | <opinion>Only Moshe (who was acting on behalf of his nation Israel) – Rashbam.</opinion> | ||
<opinion>The phrase is highlighting the salvation of Moshe, and the deliverance of Israel, Moshe's nation, is secondary – Cassuto.</opinion> | <opinion>The phrase is highlighting the salvation of Moshe, and the deliverance of Israel, Moshe's nation, is secondary – Cassuto.</opinion> | ||
| − | <opinion>The phrase emphasizes the miracles wrought to save Israel rather than those brought to punish Paroh – New approach, Keli | + | <opinion>The phrase emphasizes the miracles wrought to save Israel rather than those brought to punish Paroh – New approach, Keli Yekar.</opinion> |
| − | <opinion>The words mean "because of Moshe and Israel," and the verse is speaking of punishments to the Egyptians – Ibn Ezra, Toledot Yitzchak, probably | + | <opinion>The words mean "because of Moshe and Israel," and the verse is speaking of punishments to the Egyptians – Ibn Ezra, Toledot Yitzchak, probably Sforno.</opinion> |
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| − | + | <topic>Does the word <i>ki</i> in 18:1 mean "that" or "when"? | |
| − | <topic>Does the word < | ||
<opinion>That – Most commentators.</opinion> | <opinion>That – Most commentators.</opinion> | ||
| − | <opinion>When – | + | <opinion>When – Sforno, Toledot Yitzchak.</opinion> |
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<topic>Overlap – Is there overlap between the two accounts? | <topic>Overlap – Is there overlap between the two accounts? | ||
| − | <opinion>No overlap – Rashbam, | + | <opinion>No overlap – Rashbam, Sforno, New approach, Keli Yekar.</opinion> |
<opinion>Significant overlap – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, Rashi, Cassuto.</opinion> | <opinion>Significant overlap – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, Rashi, Cassuto.</opinion> | ||
<opinion>Overlap due to the need to correct the original account – Malbim, Toledot Yitzchak.</opinion> | <opinion>Overlap due to the need to correct the original account – Malbim, Toledot Yitzchak.</opinion> | ||
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| − | + | <topic>What is the <a href="Dictionary:תְּלָאָה" data-aht="page">"תְּלָאָה"</a> from which Hashem saved the nation of Israel in 18:8? | |
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<opinion>Clashes with the Egyptians in Egypt and at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael.</opinion> | <opinion>Clashes with the Egyptians in Egypt and at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael.</opinion> | ||
<opinion>Hostile encounters with the Egyptians at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Rashi.</opinion> | <opinion>Hostile encounters with the Egyptians at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Rashi.</opinion> | ||
<opinion>The Egyptians chasing after the Israelites at Yam Suf (only) – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak.</opinion> | <opinion>The Egyptians chasing after the Israelites at Yam Suf (only) – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak.</opinion> | ||
| − | <opinion>All the troubles that the nation encountered | + | <opinion>All the troubles that the nation encountered en route to Sinai: the chasing of the Egyptians, lack of food and water, and Amalek's attack – Rashbam, Cassuto.</opinion> |
| − | <opinion>Only the difficulties that the nation suffered on the way after the drowning of the Egyptians (thirst, hunger, and the war with Amalek) – | + | <opinion>Only the difficulties that the nation suffered on the way after the drowning of the Egyptians (thirst, hunger, and the war with Amalek) – Sforno.</opinion> |
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| − | + | <topic>How were Yitro's religious beliefs affected by the accounts he heard?See Yitro's Religious Identity. | |
| − | <topic>How were Yitro's religious beliefs affected by the accounts he heard? | + | <opinion>Yitro was already planning on converting after hearing the initial report and Moshe merely encouraged him further – R. Eliezer in the Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, possibly Rashi and Sforno.</opinion> |
| − | + | <opinion>It was specifically Moshe's account which led to Yitro's profession of faith – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak, Keli Yekar, Malbim.</opinion> | |
| − | <opinion>Yitro was already planning on converting after hearing the initial report and Moshe merely encouraged him further – R. Eliezer in the Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, possibly Rashi and | ||
| − | <opinion>It was specifically Moshe's account which led to Yitro's profession of faith – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak, Keli | ||
<opinion>Yitro's religious beliefs did not change and he did not convert – Cassuto.</opinion> | <opinion>Yitro's religious beliefs did not change and he did not convert – Cassuto.</opinion> | ||
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Latest revision as of 12:25, 28 January 2023
The Two Accounts Which Yitro Heard
Points of Dispute
These are some of the central points of dispute (נקודות המחלוקת) between the various exegetes:
- LeMoshe uleYisrael ammo – Who is the object of Hashem's salvation in verse 1?
- Only Moshe (who was acting on behalf of his nation Israel) – Rashbam.
- The phrase is highlighting the salvation of Moshe, and the deliverance of Israel, Moshe's nation, is secondary – Cassuto.
- The phrase emphasizes the miracles wrought to save Israel rather than those brought to punish Paroh – New approach, Keli Yekar.
- The words mean "because of Moshe and Israel," and the verse is speaking of punishments to the Egyptians – Ibn Ezra, Toledot Yitzchak, probably Sforno.
- Does the word ki in 18:1 mean "that" or "when"?
- That – Most commentators.
- When – Sforno, Toledot Yitzchak.
- Overlap – Is there overlap between the two accounts?
- No overlap – Rashbam, Sforno, New approach, Keli Yekar.
- Significant overlap – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, Rashi, Cassuto.
- Overlap due to the need to correct the original account – Malbim, Toledot Yitzchak.
- What is the "תְּלָאָה" from which Hashem saved the nation of Israel in 18:8?
- Clashes with the Egyptians in Egypt and at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael.
- Hostile encounters with the Egyptians at Yam Suf and with Amalek – Rashi.
- The Egyptians chasing after the Israelites at Yam Suf (only) – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak.
- All the troubles that the nation encountered en route to Sinai: the chasing of the Egyptians, lack of food and water, and Amalek's attack – Rashbam, Cassuto.
- Only the difficulties that the nation suffered on the way after the drowning of the Egyptians (thirst, hunger, and the war with Amalek) – Sforno.
- How were Yitro's religious beliefs affected by the accounts he heard?See Yitro's Religious Identity.
- Yitro was already planning on converting after hearing the initial report and Moshe merely encouraged him further – R. Eliezer in the Mekhilta DeRabbi Yishmael, possibly Rashi and Sforno.
- It was specifically Moshe's account which led to Yitro's profession of faith – New approach, Toledot Yitzchak, Keli Yekar, Malbim.
- Yitro's religious beliefs did not change and he did not convert – Cassuto.
