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<p>The ceremony at Mt. Eival took place on the same day that the Israelites crossed the Jordan River and entered Israel.</p>
 
<p>The ceremony at Mt. Eival took place on the same day that the Israelites crossed the Jordan River and entered Israel.</p>
<mekorot><multilink><a href="ToseftaSotah8-6-7" data-aht="source">Tosefta Sotah</a><a href="ToseftaSotah8-6-7" data-aht="source">Sotah 8:6-7</a><a href="Tosefta" data-aht="parshan">About the Tosefta</a></multilink>, R. Yehuda and R. Eliezer in <multilink><a href="YerushalmiSotah7-3" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi Sotah</a><a href="YerushalmiSotah7-3" data-aht="source">Sotah 7:3</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliSotah36a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sotah</a><a href="BavliSotah35b" data-aht="source">Sotah 35b</a><a href="BavliSotah36a" data-aht="source">Sotah 36a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2</a><a href="RashiYehoshua4-3-920" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 4:3-9, 20</a><a href="RashiYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-33</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefKaraYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Kara</a><a href="RYosefKaraYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-33</a><a href="R. Yosef Kara" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Kara</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakYehoshua8-32-35" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYehoshua8-32-35" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-35</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RBachyaDevarim27-1-3" data-aht="source">R. Bachya</a><a href="RBachyaDevarim27-1-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:1-3</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">HaKetav VeHaKabbalah</a><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2</a><a href="R. Yaakov Mecklenburg (HaKetav VeHaKabbalah)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov Mecklenburg</a></multilink>, Rav Hirsch</mekorot>
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<mekorot>4QJosh, <multilink><a href="ToseftaSotah8-6-7" data-aht="source">Tosefta Sotah</a><a href="ToseftaSotah8-6-7" data-aht="source">Sotah 8:6-7</a><a href="Tosefta" data-aht="parshan">About the Tosefta</a></multilink>, R. Yehuda and R. Eliezer in <multilink><a href="YerushalmiSotah7-3" data-aht="source">Yerushalmi Sotah</a><a href="YerushalmiSotah7-3" data-aht="source">Sotah 7:3</a><a href="Talmud Yerushalmi" data-aht="parshan">About the Yerushalmi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="BavliSotah36a" data-aht="source">Bavli Sotah</a><a href="BavliSotah35b" data-aht="source">Sotah 35b</a><a href="BavliSotah36a" data-aht="source">Sotah 36a</a><a href="Talmud Bavli" data-aht="parshan">About the Bavli</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RashiDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Rashi</a><a href="RashiDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2</a><a href="RashiYehoshua4-3-920" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 4:3-9, 20</a><a href="RashiYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-33</a><a href="R. Shelomo Yitzchaki (Rashi)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Shelomo Yitzchaki</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RYosefKaraYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">R. Yosef Kara</a><a href="RYosefKaraYehoshua8-30-33" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-33</a><a href="R. Yosef Kara" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yosef Kara</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RadakYehoshua8-32-35" data-aht="source">Radak</a><a href="RadakYehoshua8-32-35" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-35</a><a href="R. David Kimchi (Radak)" data-aht="parshan">About R. David Kimchi</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="RBachyaDevarim27-1-3" data-aht="source">R. Bachya</a><a href="RBachyaDevarim27-1-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:1-3</a><a href="R. Bachya b. Asher" data-aht="parshan">About R. Bachya b. Asher</a></multilink>, <multilink><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">HaKetav VeHaKabbalah</a><a href="HaKetavVeHaKabbalahDevarim27-2" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2</a><a href="R. Yaakov Mecklenburg (HaKetav VeHaKabbalah)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yaakov Mecklenburg</a></multilink>, Rav Hirsch</mekorot>
<point><b>Chronology of the chapters</b> – These commentators all maintain that the event is not recorded in its chronological place (which would have been in Chapter 4), but do not explain the reason for the achronology.</point>
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<point><b>Chronology of the chapters</b> – These commentators all maintain that the event is not recorded in its chronological place (which would have been in Chapter 4),<fn>See 4QJosh, a copy of Sefer Yehoshua found in Qumran, which actually places the story (or at least verses 8:34-35, which have remained) at the end of Chapter 4 after the narrative regrading the erection of the stones in Gilgal.</fn> but do not explain the reason for the achronology.</point>
 
<point><b>"בַּיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר תַּעַבְרוּ אֶת הַיַּרְדֵּן"</b> – According to this approach, the word "בַּיּוֹם" is understood literally to refer to the very same day that the nation crossed the Jordan River.&#160; It is this directive (and the statement that Yehoshua acted as commanded by Moshe) which motivates them to posit that Yehoshua must not have waited before setting up the ceremony.</point>
 
<point><b>"בַּיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר תַּעַבְרוּ אֶת הַיַּרְדֵּן"</b> – According to this approach, the word "בַּיּוֹם" is understood literally to refer to the very same day that the nation crossed the Jordan River.&#160; It is this directive (and the statement that Yehoshua acted as commanded by Moshe) which motivates them to posit that Yehoshua must not have waited before setting up the ceremony.</point>
 
<point><b>How did they get to Mt. Eival?</b> This position must explain how the entire nation (including children)<fn>See <a href="Yehoshua8-30-35" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:35</a>, which speaks of the all inclusive nature of the ceremony (כׇּל קְהַל" "יִשְׂרָאֵל וְהַנָּשִׁים וְהַטַּף וְהַגֵּר הַהֹלֵךְ בְּקִרְבָּם)</fn> could have traveled all the way from Gilgal to Mt. Eival (and back) in one day, especially if this was in still unconquered territory.<fn>Though it is possible that the area of Shekhem itself had already been in Israel's hands from the Patriarchal period, the rest of the route from Gilgal to Mt. Eival would necessitate going through enemy territory.</fn>&#160; The commentators offer two possible solutions:<br/>
 
<point><b>How did they get to Mt. Eival?</b> This position must explain how the entire nation (including children)<fn>See <a href="Yehoshua8-30-35" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:35</a>, which speaks of the all inclusive nature of the ceremony (כׇּל קְהַל" "יִשְׂרָאֵל וְהַנָּשִׁים וְהַטַּף וְהַגֵּר הַהֹלֵךְ בְּקִרְבָּם)</fn> could have traveled all the way from Gilgal to Mt. Eival (and back) in one day, especially if this was in still unconquered territory.<fn>Though it is possible that the area of Shekhem itself had already been in Israel's hands from the Patriarchal period, the rest of the route from Gilgal to Mt. Eival would necessitate going through enemy territory.</fn>&#160; The commentators offer two possible solutions:<br/>
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<point><b>Why now?</b> Since the ceremony marked a renewal of the covenant between Hashem and the Nation of Israel, it was appropriate to do so immediately upon entering the land.&#160; Furthermore, in writing the Torah on the stones, the nation announced their recognition that the imminent conquest was contingent on their observance of the Torah.<fn>See&#160;<multilink><a href="IbnEzraDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:3</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink> and&#160;<multilink><a href="RambanDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink> who explain that this is the meaning of the phrase "וְכָתַבְתָּ עֲלֵיהֶן אֶת כׇּל דִּבְרֵי הַתּוֹרָה הַזֹּאת בְּעׇבְרֶךָ לְמַעַן אֲשֶׁר תָּבֹא אֶל הָאָרֶץ"; only if you remember and observe Torah will you be able to inherit the land. [Ramban also raises the possibility that the phrase teaches that we came to the land only as as to observe the Torah.]</fn></point>
 
<point><b>Why now?</b> Since the ceremony marked a renewal of the covenant between Hashem and the Nation of Israel, it was appropriate to do so immediately upon entering the land.&#160; Furthermore, in writing the Torah on the stones, the nation announced their recognition that the imminent conquest was contingent on their observance of the Torah.<fn>See&#160;<multilink><a href="IbnEzraDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Ibn Ezra</a><a href="IbnEzraDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:3</a><a href="R. Avraham ibn Ezra" data-aht="parshan">About R. Avraham ibn Ezra</a></multilink> and&#160;<multilink><a href="RambanDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Ramban</a><a href="RambanDevarim27-3" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:3</a><a href="R. Moshe b. Nachman (Ramban, Nachmanides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Moshe b. Nachman</a></multilink> who explain that this is the meaning of the phrase "וְכָתַבְתָּ עֲלֵיהֶן אֶת כׇּל דִּבְרֵי הַתּוֹרָה הַזֹּאת בְּעׇבְרֶךָ לְמַעַן אֲשֶׁר תָּבֹא אֶל הָאָרֶץ"; only if you remember and observe Torah will you be able to inherit the land. [Ramban also raises the possibility that the phrase teaches that we came to the land only as as to observe the Torah.]</fn></point>
 
<point><b>Stones for the ceremony</b> – According to most of these sources,<fn>See, however, Rashi on Devarim 27 where (in contrast to his explanation in Yehoshua) he seems to suggest that there were three sets of stones,&#160; those placed in the Jordan, those erected in Gilgal and those used on Mt Eval.</fn> the stones that were used for the ceremony had been taken from the Jordan, as described in Yehoshua 4:2-3.<fn>These were distinct from the stones that were set up in the river itself (Yehoshua 4:9).</fn>&#160; The people carried the twelve rocks to the mountain, and then returned them to Gilgal where they were set up as memorial. Radak points out that the description of the gathering and erecting of the stones in Gilgal concludes with "כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה מֹשֶׁה אֶת יְהוֹשֻׁעַ" (Yehoshua 4:10). This might support the idea that this act was a fulfillment of the commands of Devarim 27.</point>
 
<point><b>Stones for the ceremony</b> – According to most of these sources,<fn>See, however, Rashi on Devarim 27 where (in contrast to his explanation in Yehoshua) he seems to suggest that there were three sets of stones,&#160; those placed in the Jordan, those erected in Gilgal and those used on Mt Eval.</fn> the stones that were used for the ceremony had been taken from the Jordan, as described in Yehoshua 4:2-3.<fn>These were distinct from the stones that were set up in the river itself (Yehoshua 4:9).</fn>&#160; The people carried the twelve rocks to the mountain, and then returned them to Gilgal where they were set up as memorial. Radak points out that the description of the gathering and erecting of the stones in Gilgal concludes with "כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה מֹשֶׁה אֶת יְהוֹשֻׁעַ" (Yehoshua 4:10). This might support the idea that this act was a fulfillment of the commands of Devarim 27.</point>
<point><b>Why not have the ceremony in Gilgal?</b> Regardless of which of the above positions one takes regarding the location of Mt. Eival, it is not clear why Hashem would have the people hold the ceremony in one place, only to dissemble the rocks and re-erect them in Gilgal.&#160; In addition, as Yehoshua states that the monument in Gilgal was meant to memorialize the miracle of the crossing, it would seem that the stones took on a new function once they moved.<br/>
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<point><b>Why Mt. Eival?</b> Regardless of which of the above positions one takes regarding the location of Mt. Eival, it is not clear why Hashem would choose to have the ceremony there rather than in Gilgal itself (especially considering that they were to dissemble the rocks from the mountain only to re-erect them in Gilgal.)<fn>If they had left them on the mountain, and one posits a Shekhem region for the location of Mt. Eival, then one could suggest that Hashem wanted the momument to be in a central location for posterity.&#160; However, once the stones were returned to Gilgal the centrality of Mt. Eival becomes irrelevant.</fn>&#160; These sources might suggest a practical response; the mountains were needed for the acoustics they provided.</point>
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<point>In addition, as Yehoshua states that the monument in Gilgal was meant to memorialize the miracle of the crossing, it would seem that the stones took on a new function once they moved.</point>
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<point><b>Relationship between Devarim 8:1-3 and 8:4-8</b> – These sources differ in how they explain the doubling:<br/>
 
<point><b>Relationship between Devarim 8:1-3 and 8:4-8</b> – These sources differ in how they explain the doubling:<br/>
 
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<p>The nation went to Mt. Eival after defeating the Ai and gaining access to the vicinity.</p>
 
<p>The nation went to Mt. Eival after defeating the Ai and gaining access to the vicinity.</p>
 
<mekorot>perhaps <multilink><a href="RalbagYehoshua8-30-31" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagDevarim27-2-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2-10</a><a href="RalbagYehoshua8-30-31" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-31</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,<fn>Though it is clear that Ralbag assumes that the ceremony took place by the time the Conquest was complete, it is not clear exactly when he holds that it happened as he only writes, "עד והארץ שקטה ממלחמה, זכר שכבר בנה יהושע מזבח לה'".</fn> <multilink><a href="AbarbanelDevarim27-1" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim27-1" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:1</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
 
<mekorot>perhaps <multilink><a href="RalbagYehoshua8-30-31" data-aht="source">Ralbag</a><a href="RalbagDevarim27-2-10" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:2-10</a><a href="RalbagYehoshua8-30-31" data-aht="source">Yehoshua 8:30-31</a><a href="R. Levi b. Gershom (Ralbag, Gersonides)" data-aht="parshan">About R. Levi b. Gershom</a></multilink>,<fn>Though it is clear that Ralbag assumes that the ceremony took place by the time the Conquest was complete, it is not clear exactly when he holds that it happened as he only writes, "עד והארץ שקטה ממלחמה, זכר שכבר בנה יהושע מזבח לה'".</fn> <multilink><a href="AbarbanelDevarim27-1" data-aht="source">Abarbanel</a><a href="AbarbanelDevarim27-1" data-aht="source">Devarim 27:1</a><a href="R. Yitzchak Abarbanel" data-aht="parshan">About R. Yitzchak Abarbanel</a></multilink>,</mekorot>
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<point><b>Chronology of the chapters</b> – This position maintains the chronology of the chapters, suggesting that the ceremony appears in the text exactly when it took place.</point>
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<point><b>"בַּיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר תַּעַבְרוּ אֶת הַיַּרְדֵּן"</b></point>
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<point><b>Relationship between Devarim 8:1-3 and 8:4-8</b></point>
 
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<p>The nation fulfilled Moshe's command in two stages.&#160; Though the first stage took place immediately after entry into Israel, the completed ceremony only occurred later.</p>
 
<p>The nation fulfilled Moshe's command in two stages.&#160; Though the first stage took place immediately after entry into Israel, the completed ceremony only occurred later.</p>
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<mekorot>perhaps R. D"Z Hoffmann, Malbim</mekorot>
 
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Version as of 03:58, 19 December 2016

When Was the Ceremony on Mt. Eival?

Exegetical Approaches

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Before the Conquest

The ceremony at Mt. Eival took place on the same day that the Israelites crossed the Jordan River and entered Israel.

Chronology of the chapters – These commentators all maintain that the event is not recorded in its chronological place (which would have been in Chapter 4),1 but do not explain the reason for the achronology.
"בַּיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר תַּעַבְרוּ אֶת הַיַּרְדֵּן" – According to this approach, the word "בַּיּוֹם" is understood literally to refer to the very same day that the nation crossed the Jordan River.  It is this directive (and the statement that Yehoshua acted as commanded by Moshe) which motivates them to posit that Yehoshua must not have waited before setting up the ceremony.
How did they get to Mt. Eival? This position must explain how the entire nation (including children)2 could have traveled all the way from Gilgal to Mt. Eival (and back) in one day, especially if this was in still unconquered territory.3  The commentators offer two possible solutions:
  • Miracle – Tosefta Sotah places Mt. Eival near Shekhem,4 but asserts that Hashem miraculously brought the nation there.
  • Different mountain – R. Eliezer,5 in contrast, maintains that the verses refers not to the Mt. Eival which is near Shekhem, but to two mountains that are close to the Jordan.6 As evidence, he points to the Torah's description of the site as being "מוּל הַגִּלְגָּל".‎7
Why now? Since the ceremony marked a renewal of the covenant between Hashem and the Nation of Israel, it was appropriate to do so immediately upon entering the land.  Furthermore, in writing the Torah on the stones, the nation announced their recognition that the imminent conquest was contingent on their observance of the Torah.8
Stones for the ceremony – According to most of these sources,9 the stones that were used for the ceremony had been taken from the Jordan, as described in Yehoshua 4:2-3.10  The people carried the twelve rocks to the mountain, and then returned them to Gilgal where they were set up as memorial. Radak points out that the description of the gathering and erecting of the stones in Gilgal concludes with "כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה מֹשֶׁה אֶת יְהוֹשֻׁעַ" (Yehoshua 4:10). This might support the idea that this act was a fulfillment of the commands of Devarim 27.
Why Mt. Eival? Regardless of which of the above positions one takes regarding the location of Mt. Eival, it is not clear why Hashem would choose to have the ceremony there rather than in Gilgal itself (especially considering that they were to dissemble the rocks from the mountain only to re-erect them in Gilgal.)11  These sources might suggest a practical response; the mountains were needed for the acoustics they provided.
In addition, as Yehoshua states that the monument in Gilgal was meant to memorialize the miracle of the crossing, it would seem that the stones took on a new function once they moved.
Relationship between Devarim 8:1-3 and 8:4-8 – These sources differ in how they explain the doubling:
  • Two commandments – According to Rashi the two sets of verses constitute two distinct commandments.  Verses 1-3 refer to the stones that were to be set up in the Jordan, while verses 4-8 refer to the stones which were to be erected on Mt. Eival.12
  • כלל ופרט – R. Bachya, in contrast, asserts that all of the verses speak of the stones used in the ceremony at Mt. Eival.13  The doubling is simply a "כלל ופרט", a literary technique in which a unit opens with a general statement whose details are then elaborated upon.
Purpose of the ceremony
Why these mountians

Mid-Conquest

The nation went to Mt. Eival after defeating the Ai and gaining access to the vicinity.

Chronology of the chapters – This position maintains the chronology of the chapters, suggesting that the ceremony appears in the text exactly when it took place.
"בַּיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר תַּעַבְרוּ אֶת הַיַּרְדֵּן"
Relationship between Devarim 8:1-3 and 8:4-8

After the Conquest

The Israelites first performed the ceremony after the 14 years of conquest and inheritance.

Two Stages

The nation fulfilled Moshe's command in two stages.  Though the first stage took place immediately after entry into Israel, the completed ceremony only occurred later.

Sources:perhaps R. D"Z Hoffmann, Malbim